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Old 05-26-2012, 10:26 AM   #4321
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Old 05-26-2012, 01:41 PM   #4322
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Harold's new CSM 'Outback' / R1200GSA outfit

Harold Zeller's new CSM / BMW 1200 GSA 'Outback' Sidecar outfit.


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Old 05-26-2012, 10:58 PM   #4323
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Hey Claude, could we get some larger pics? This looks great, but it's a bit hard for me to see with these old eyes!

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Harold Zeller's new CSM / BMW 1200 GSA 'Outback' Sidecar outfit.


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Old 05-26-2012, 11:43 PM   #4324
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Hey Claude, could we get some larger pics? This looks great, but it's a bit hard for me to see with these old eyes!
Here ya go

Harold Zeller leaving the CSM shop heading to west coast

Shot of nose area showing nose rack with spare tire holder. Also diamond plate stone guard on pwdercoated 1/8" aluminum body. Driving lights on this one are Hella 500s with a bright fog light between bike and sidecar.

Upper and lower racks in rear. These will accomodate quick detachable aluminum boxes at a later date.

Loaded racks for this trip

Harolds outfit next to the CSM 'Outback ' sidecar prototype

Chassis incorporates an antiswaybar, spare tire carrier between bike and sidecar and other features. TIG welded 1 1/2 x .120 wall tubing is standard.

Differences between Std. CSM Outback and Harolds as seen from rear. Harlod added 3" to width.

The outfit has a rear car tire conversion with same wheel and tire that is on sidecar. It also has accomodations for mounting a spare between bike and sidecar if pannier is removed. We have also done this type of setup in which the pannier gets remounted behind the sidecar.
It also has a large glove box below front cowling and a lockable box uinder the sidecar seat. The windshield shown is our standard fold down unit. Tonneau cover is lined for rigidity and better extreme weather protection. The CSM Manual tilt adjustor can be seen behind fender. We can also do electric ones but with the antiswaybar this is seldom required as the swaybar itself is somewhat of a self compensating device.
Over next winter this outfit will receive a CSM leading link front end with a car tire and wheel so all three wheels plus spare will excange easily. Right now it sports a CSM designed and built trail reducer to make steering easy. Other additions will be a car battery conversion, large skid plate on bike and possibly more racks on sidecar.

Yes German born Harold Zeller gets around


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Old 05-26-2012, 11:56 PM   #4325
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Thank you Claude for the pics and description. Much better for my old eyes!
Can you explain or show what you mean "Tonneau cover is lined for rigidity and better extreme weather protection." Is this something that a person can do with one they already have?

Both look like great off road rigs. Well done...
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Old 05-27-2012, 12:10 AM   #4326
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Thank you Claude for the pics and description. Much better for my old eyes!
Can you explain or show what you mean "Tonneau cover is lined for rigidity and better extreme weather protection." Is this something that a person can do with one they already have?

Both look like great off road rigs. Well done...
It is basically just a liner on the inside surface of the tonneau cover material. It thickens it up some. Without it you would see the underside of the fabric cover itself when open. Not a huge deal but we have found that most prefer this option for durability etc..
Weather protection is also increased somewhat especially if the outfit sits outside in the snow and l/ or long term rain.

Oh I agree totally with your line( at least most of the time ..lol) :
"To me, the best kind of trips are the ones you planned on the way, allowed yourself to change, and maybe didn't end up where you expected. Klay"
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Old 05-27-2012, 12:32 AM   #4327
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It is basically just a liner on the inside surface of the tonneau cover material. It thickens it up some. Without it you would see the underside of the fabric cover itself when open. Not a huge deal but we have found that most prefer this option for durability etc..
Weather protection is also increased somewhat especially if the outfit sits outside in the snow and l/ or long term rain.

Oh I agree totally with your line( at least most of the time ..lol) :
"To me, the best kind of trips are the ones you planned on the way, allowed yourself to change, and maybe didn't end up where you expected. Klay"
Klay put into words, how I have always lived. It's helped me when life has thrown me the curve balls. I just wish I could get a break every once in a while. Heck, maybe not throw them so hard!

Is this liner something that I could do? My sewing skills are pretty spectacular. My zippers look like button holes and my button holes look like zippers. That said, I have on more than one occasion, dared to think I wanted to go with some good leather. I'm old fashion like that.
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:28 AM   #4328
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That is just freaking amazing!!!!!!
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:16 AM   #4329
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Great build Claude. Any chance the new Telelever LL will work on a K-bike?

FYI KCDakar, pressing control + will enlarge any page, though we would not have received Claude's build pictorial.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:45 AM   #4330
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Great build Claude. Any chance the new Telelever LL will work on a K-bike?

FYI KCDakar, pressing control + will enlarge any page, though we would not have received Claude's build pictorial.
We can build a leading link specific for a K bike if you wish. Hard call between doing that and using a simple trail reducer IMHO.

The GS outfits , however, beg for more rubber up front. They are quite easy to induce understeer in turns away from the sidecar. They, in particular , will be happier with a larger tire up front. The understeer is controlable and so forth but spritied riding can be compromised due to the smallish front tire.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:20 AM   #4331
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Here are a few more pics of the CSM Outback model. This one is the CSM house car based on an 1150 GS.
Roto Pax water container bewteen bike and sidecar can also be used as an on the go hydration system for rider and passenger. Two roto pax gas contrainers on on th erioght rear of body.

Bikini top is still under developement, kinda corny eh? lol.

There is a shot of the manual tilt adjustor which is popular and much less expensive than an electiric linear actuator type system. Both systems are adaptable though. As mentioned earlier the use of an antiswaybar does allow for some self compensation for loads etc as well as increasing conering ability all around. If going into really rough terrain the swaybar can be unhooked by removing one bolt.

Also one shot here is of the glove box. By design this one is very large. We also do these on many of our sidecar builds but space is limited by the body design. Handy buggers though.






The white Outback is in the works and wil be finished real soon. On this one the rear box in intergral with the main body itself. Racks etc will be blue. More pics on thsi one soon.
You can see the manual tilt easily in this shot. Kaluia you out there buddy?


Brown anyone? All bodies are aluminum and powdercoated. 16 ga. Steel is also an option.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:54 AM   #4332
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Well, this followed me home from Cook's Bayou yesterday. Thanks, Steve.
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:00 PM   #4333
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Well, this followed me home from Cook's Bayou yesterday. Thanks, Steve.
That's Ogre's rig from Florida? Glad to see it found a new home.
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:23 PM   #4334
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No brake on Sidecar?





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Old 05-27-2012, 02:49 PM   #4335
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No brake on Sidecar?

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No brake. We do them with and without sidecar brakes.
Two methods are used :
One is plumbed into the rear bike brake.(This can use a proportioning valve if desired)
The other is self contained with it's own master cylinder etc. The actuator pedal runs under the rear brake pedal of the bike with and adjuster to set brake bias. The actuator pedal 'can' be used by itself but it takes a concentrated effort to do so. This way one will not hit just the sidecar brake by mistake in a panic situation.
Both systems work well if one wants a sidecar brake.

I M P O R T A N T ! !
With or without a sidecar brake it is very important for folks to practice panic braking under various conditions. Knowing to the best of your ability what your outfit will do when things get serious is very very important. You can plan your actions but not your reactions and it is reactions that will save your butt.
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