Let's see your HONDA ST1100/ST1300.

[STBNE]

Originally Posted by mrbreeze

The 1300 is pretty stout the way it is. I can't see how sucking more gas would help, or why anyone would trade excellent gas mileage AND a powerful motor for poor gas mileage and a slightly more powerful motor.

The improvements I hope to see in the next generation ST are less weight, less heat, and a better sound from the stock exhaust.

Agreed especially putting the ST on a diet...if they could lose 100 lbs then that alone will improve HP and fuel mileage

[Brad Felmey]

Originally Posted by mrbreeze

The 1300 is pretty stout the way it is. I can't see how sucking more gas would help, or why anyone would trade excellent gas mileage AND a powerful motor for poor gas mileage and a slightly more powerful motor.

The improvements I hope to see in the next generation ST are less weight, less heat, and a better sound from the stock exhaust.

I think you completely misunderstood what I wrote. Go read up on variable cylinder technology. In short, it cuts out cylinders when not under load to save fuel.

[lddave]

I had a 1991 ST put100,000 miles on it and sold it bought a 1998 ST, from both


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[lddave]

Sorry for the incomplete reply . Have 126,000 miles on the 1998 now . Last year was looking for a new sport touring bike . Rode a used ST1300 at the dealer and it did not suit me . Rode a new 2010 Concours and wow what a bike . Ended up buying it . The ST 1300 seemed to me to be too outdated to buy . Using the ST 1100 for my commuter bike .


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[mrbreeze]

Originally Posted by Brad Felmey

I think you completely misunderstood what I wrote. Go read up on variable cylinder technology. In short, it cuts out cylinders when not under load to save fuel.

I understand variable cylinder technology.

[Brad Felmey]

Originally Posted by mrbreeze

I understand variable cylinder technology.

Then what does your first answer have to do with anything?

[mrbreeze]

Originally Posted by Brad Felmey

Then what does your first answer have to do with anything?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not baiting me...

the 13 doesn't need it to get excellent gas mileage. If the next generation has to cut the ignition to two cylinders to equal it, that's not an improvement - but it WILL increase the price of the bike.

If memory serves me correctly, Cycle World reported the VFR1200 gets 32 mpg. In my opinion, that sucks. And if variable cylinder technology was the cure, Honda could have included it.

[STBNE]

With my '95 ST11..I averaged 50 mpg in all kinds of driving conditions...thats 300+ miles per tank...on my '01 I'm getting about 45 mpg...so thats still fairly good. I dont need this new technology Brad is hyping. Not only will it make the bike more expensive...it also complicates the design and is just one more thing that can go wrong. Just because theres new technology...that doesn't mean its better.

[lddave]

On the 2 ST1100's I have owned the mpg depended on several factors.
The windshield on the bike, the mph, and the wind. Gotten as good as low 50's, low as high 20's but mostly mid to high 30's.

[Brad Felmey]

Geebus I hate people on the Internet sometimes.

I'm not "hyping" an effing thing. I merely pointed out to the first guy who was pissing and moaning that some sportbike engine didn't get good mileage that it wasn't accurate because it would be in a different form for touring.

Beyond that I could give a rat's behind whether you guys ever drive something designed after 1987.

I guess reading comprehension is hard.

[STBNE]

Originally Posted by Brad Felmey

Geebus I hate people on the Internet sometimes.

I'm not "hyping" an effing thing. I merely pointed out to the first guy who was pissing and moaning that some sportbike engine didn't get good mileage that it wasn't accurate because it would be in a different form for touring.

Beyond that I could give a rat's behind whether you guys ever drive something designed after 1987.

I guess reading comprehension is hard.

must be that time of the month for you...nothing but a rag..so whos pissin and moanin???

[Brad Felmey]

Originally Posted by STBNE

must be that time of the month for you...nothing but a rag..so whos pissin and moanin???

Really? Great comeback.

[AST236]

In an effort to restore some good karma to what should be a friendly thread, here's a pic of the '91 I picked up a few months ago. Still working out a few details, but it's coming along.

[lddave]

Nice one AST236 I had a black 1991 also.

[AST236]

I just had the fork seals done and installed progressive springs from Sonic. I still don't have the suspension dialed in, but I'm also needing new tires, so that may actually be the problem. It just doesn't feel as stable as it should. New tires in the next week or so should tell the story. The engine is strong and it's plenty comfortable. One small crack in the upper left fairing, but I"m saving that for a possible repaint over the winter.