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Old 06-14-2009, 05:56 PM   #1
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Question ktm 250xcf-w VS ktm 300xc-w

Looking to add to the stable and need some opinions before taking the plunge. A buddy just picked up a new 300 xc-w and wants me to do the same, but .... I keep thinking for cross-country work and bush bashing, the bottom end grunt of the 250 should be superior. Any thoughts?????
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Old 06-14-2009, 06:04 PM   #2
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Bottom end of the 300 will kick the shit out of the 250f.

I had a 300 xc-w, and my fiance had a 525 exc and the 300 had way better low end than even the 525 had.. It would consistantly pull at well below idle, where as the 525 would stall in the same situation.

The 300 is a killer woods bike.. if you want something lighter, go with a 200 xc-w.. Same kind of low end grunt the 300 has, just a little less of it.. I've had 2 200's and loved them both.. When I go to get another bike it'll either be another 200 or a 300, just depends what I find a good deal on.

Since your buddy has a 300, go give it a test ride.. see how slow you can go before it stalls.. If you need more bottom end, put an FMF gnarly pipe on it
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Old 06-14-2009, 06:24 PM   #3
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Bottom end of the 300 will kick the shit out of the 250f.

I had a 300 xc-w, and my fiance had a 525 exc and the 300 had way better low end than even the 525 had.. It would consistantly pull at well below idle, where as the 525 would stall in the same situation.

The 300 is a killer woods bike.. if you want something lighter, go with a 200 xc-w.. Same kind of low end grunt the 300 has, just a little less of it.. I've had 2 200's and loved them both.. When I go to get another bike it'll either be another 200 or a 300, just depends what I find a good deal on.

Since your buddy has a 300, go give it a test ride.. see how slow you can go before it stalls.. If you need more bottom end, put an FMF gnarly pipe on it
Interesting. So you would skip the 250 in favor of either smaller or bigger engine. Do those two have a bigger bore or what is it that gives them more low end? I looked at a 200 this weekend but didn't get to ride it. Good shape and price, though....
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Old 06-14-2009, 06:33 PM   #4
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:04 AM   #5
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Interesting. So you would skip the 250 in favor of either smaller or bigger engine. Do those two have a bigger bore or what is it that gives them more low end? I looked at a 200 this weekend but didn't get to ride it. Good shape and price, though....
Well to me, the 200 feels like a 125 (very light and flickable) but with much better bottom end and a little more power across the rpm range.. Likewise, the 300 feels like a 250 (massive power, but less flickable compared to the 125/200) but with loads of down low torque (not that the 250 is lacking torque).. I guess my thinking is, why buy a 125/250 when you could get a 200/300 for the same price

Personally, I would say for utlra tight technical rocky woods riding I'd get the 200 just bc it feels lighter.. However, if you're doing a little less tight woods riding with lots of hill climbs I'd go with the 300. I raced my 300 in a few harescrambles and I was really impressed at how well it would tractor up hills.. I mean muddy, rooty, rutted up hills with stuck bikes and beat riders strewn about and the 300 would just tractor up them at below idle rpms.

The KTM 2-strokes (exc/xc/xc-w) are nothing like japanese 2 strokes.. My 1st 200 amazed me at how smooth and broad the power was, and that bike was an 01.. the newer bikes are even better.. I grew up riding 2-strokes (kx60, kx80, yz/rm/kx 125's) so I was fully expecting a hard hitting powerband, but the ktm bikes are much smoother with the power delivery.. Which makes them killer woods bikes.. If you get an oportunity to ride one, go for it.. but be prepared to want to sell whatever bike you have now so you can get one of your own
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:38 AM   #6
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It depends on if you are a four stroke guy or a two stroke guy......

They are VERY different bikes. Apples and oranges, except they are both orange.

250 f's make their power with rpm's, not very grunty. The 300 is very grunty. The bike that would compare more to the 300 is the 450.

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Old 06-15-2009, 10:06 AM   #7
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Thanks for the advice. I'll test my buddy's new 300 this weekend and see if I can twist the throttle of a 200/250 @ the dealer one day this week.
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Old 06-15-2009, 10:29 AM   #8
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Get the 2 stroke...I have a 09 250 XCW-e...absolutely fantastic...repeat that 100 times.....Everything they have said is true..but one thing they missed is the lack of involved maintenance that is required on a 2 stroke......24 oz. of oil in the clutch/tranny..a 5 minute job and that is it..no valve adjustments, multiple filters/screens to clean... The smokers do have fantastic low end and they never "flame out" they just pull and pull...the bigger the cc's the more low end they have...The 09s have the best suspension..very supple on the XCWs... The 250 is a little more "snappy" than a 300..as it seems to take the 300 a little more time to rev up..but that is not really its forte...they say the 300 is the best 4 stroke Ktm makes..some call it a 3 stroke...
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Old 06-15-2009, 11:36 AM   #9
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Personally, I would say for utlra tight technical rocky woods riding I'd get the 200 just bc it feels lighter.. However, if you're doing a little less tight woods riding with lots of hill climbs I'd go with the 300.
Test rode everything, and I picked the 200XC-W for the tight technical stuff around here


Ride them both, then decide. They are very different.
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Old 06-15-2009, 01:45 PM   #10
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The 300 is a killer woods bike.. if you want something lighter, go with a 200 xc-w.. Same kind of low end grunt the 300 has, just a little less of it..
x2 I really like both the 200 & 300 KTMs. A key point is that the 200 is a smaller frame size than the 300, so if you're a bigger guy the 300 may be a better fit & vice versa.

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Old 06-15-2009, 03:34 PM   #11
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x2 I really like both the 200 & 300 KTMs. A key point is that the 200 is a smaller frame size than the 300, so if you're a bigger guy the 300 may be a better fit & vice versa.

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+1

And blinkerfluid knows whats up. The 300xc-w(e) is the end-all-be-all of trail bikes. Unless you're a smaller guy. Then aggressive riding and a 200 is your steed of choice.
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I got to ride a 300 XC-W at the track last Saturday. I didn't feel like it had the snap right off the bottom that my 525 has but a quick tap on the clutch fixes that and once on the pipe it outruns my 525. I spent the whole time leaning forward out of the turns because it found traction where my 525 wouldn't. Talk about a sweet motor! Not that I felt the XC-W's transmission was a problem on the track but I think I would opt for an XC model myself. In fact I'm seriously considering it after my time on one. I have to stop hammering my 525EXC and keep it for off-road where it really belongs.

As far as the 300 vs the 250F, different kind of power and you need to ride them differently. My wife had a 250EXC-G (RFS four-stroke) and I could really fly through the woods on it compared to my 525. A 250F certainly won't hold a candle powerwise to a 300 but I think it would be a hoot in the bush and there would be less shifting because of the extended rpm range. At 6'2" 220lbs, I would favor the 300 2-stroke but I grew up on the oil burners and kinda miss the power of an open two-stroke. I don't think you can go wrong with either, you just have to decide if you're a 2t guy or a 4t guy.


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Old 06-15-2009, 07:23 PM   #13
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x2 I really like both the 200 & 300 KTMs. A key point is that the 200 is a smaller frame size than the 300, so if you're a bigger guy the 300 may be a better fit & vice versa.

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I never would haver guessed that one .... at a buck sixty maybe that's all the bike I need?
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Old 06-15-2009, 08:23 PM   #14
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I never would haver guessed that one .... at a buck sixty maybe that's all the bike I need?
At your size, you'll be able to go any of three ways. 200/250/300 or 250f.

I love the 300 (but, I'm 225 before gear) and I'm betting you guys have some elevation up there? The extra power is nice when the altitude sucks your torque. My 300 ran like a 125 up at 11000ft.

250f's are nice. H-T Racing has nice 305 and 315 kits to keep things interesting.
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Old 06-15-2009, 08:40 PM   #15
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I never would haver guessed that one .... at a buck sixty maybe that's all the bike I need?
I'm about the same & my buddy's old 200EXC sure hauls my ass around OK. My bro's new 300 is huge fun, but it's really more bike than my very average dirt riding skillz can use in the bush, so the lil 200 remains my fave - it's like riding a mountainbike & not having to pedal.

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