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Old 10-07-2008, 10:57 PM   #181
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With the full suit (gloves, jacket and pants) it sucks more wattage than the 900 Ducati engine can feed. That leads to your specific application. I'd say that if you run the low beam (single lamp) and stock wattage bulbs, you should be able to run the jacket and gloves. The jacket is 77 watts and the gloves are 27--104 watts.

Considering that the second headlight bulb sucks 55 watts, you could keep the bike on low beam and need only 50 additional watts to warm your upper body. That should still leave something to charge the battery.

It's close but it should make it. I might consider the DDL wiring upgrade though. With the additional load, your charging system will be running full-tilt-boogie. That'll heat up wires and connectors, causing the same failures people have seen from running both headlights and high wattage bulbs.

Now for the irony: the 650 Elefants actually have more charging output--400 watts IIRC. That was a cool little (big?) bike.
DH,

Thanks for the thoughtful and extraordinarily useful info, much appreciated .

I've been trying to also figure out which heated gear to get -we girls have fewer options than you boys, gearing up can be a real quest. Here's what I think I'm leaning towards:
  • Warm & Safe ultimate heated gloves - 12 watts/glove, total 24 watts
  • Warm & Safe women's heated jacket liner - 65 watts
  • Warm & Safe women's heated pants - 35 watts
I have the DDL wiring upgrade, but I am running both headlights. The high beams are bright enough to blind the entire state, I rarely run them, and can't imagine they leave any spare juice when I do...

So, bottom line, how much can the 'fant spare? Is 124 watts beyond its capability? Also, I'm assuming that getting a temp regulator and turning the heat down to the minimum I can stand might save some watts, is this true?

I think I can make do without the socks, if I invest in heavier boots. I rode this morning in 40ish degrees with some extra layers. I got a little cold (35 minute commute), but some hot coffee on arrival thawed me out ok. Coming home in the dark feels a lot colder though!
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:39 PM   #182
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Electrical output is hard to estimate. The engine makes different amounts of juice at different RPM. It would also vary based on your riding conditions (sustained high RPM highway vs in-town traffic).

I think my BMW R100GS/PD had a 200-ish watt alternator. The Gerbing gloves and jacket would just overwhelm it on the highway (voltage would drop down into the high 12s).

I don't have the Ducati specs nearby but I think it's over 300 watts. If everything is good and you're moving down the road, it should work fine. If you include a lot of stop & go traffic (idling at many lights) before your destination, it could start sucking the battery down right before you park. Combine that with cold-start amp requirements and a sluggish battery (low temps), it could cause you some problems (on any bike, not just a Ducati).

It's an engineering problem. It could work just fine for you but it's not impossible to still kill the battery with electric clothing if all the variables are wrong (temp, traffic, habits, etc). Does that make sense? What is your commute typically like?
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:03 AM   #183
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The commute is your classic mixed riding. Starting out in the neighborhood for a mile or so, then a 45 mph access road for another couple (which I take at 65), then about a 4 mile stretch of 65 (75-80), then another 6 of 55 (65), then the final 5 is 35-45 ridden at that due to in-town traffic. I typically hit about 4 red lights out of the 7 on my route. Oh yeah, two school zones, very short ones. I'd consider myself a spirited rider (on pavement anyway!), accelerating hard whenever the opportunity presents itself. The last mile of my ride is a steep, windy, (and gorgeous) uphill bit.

On the ride home, there's a 2-mile stretch that gets slow, bumper-to-bumper.

And yikes, heated gear is spendy! (I knew that, but there's something about seeing a subtotal on an order...)

PS. I'm sure I'm not speeding. I've heard the Elefants' speedos tend to be "optimistic"
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Old 10-08-2008, 08:16 AM   #184
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That may well qualify as the ugliest bike I've ever seen. Including choppers and mid 1980's Japanese Cruisers. Not sure it tops that cruiser that BMW built though... But close...

What is it???
Hey I like those Bmw cruisers.
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Old 10-10-2008, 03:33 PM   #185
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the Fant power output is 350W on a good day.

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PS. I'm sure I'm not speeding. I've heard the Elefants' speedos tend to be "optimistic"
about 5% more
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:40 AM   #186
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fant's power is 300 w for 900ie lucky explorer and prior 750 engines
after 1992 900 and 750 are 350 W power alternator

Sunday, I rode in Ardèche (France) with a friend and his desmosedici



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Old 10-13-2008, 09:03 AM   #187
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Sunday, I rode in Ardèche (France) with a friend and his desmosedici
Good friend, especially if he let you ride it!

I'm working on a few winter/electrical mods: I've hardwired my GPS (60Cx) power cable, and have another plug for the battery tender, or powering two cig. lighter outlets in my tank bag. I completed my Trail Tech Vector installation, so I now have calibrated speed and odometers (km or miles), ambient and engine temp display, service monitors, etc. I've got an LED voltage monitor coming, and will be wiring switched power to Symtec grip heaters and a plug for my heated vest. A taller Touring screen from Eagle and new rear Tourance is on the way, so I should be well dialed-in for winter, soon.
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:21 AM   #188
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sadly not .. because I had alpinestar enduro boots..
but rendez vous next time
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:27 AM   #189
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If he was worried about the paint, I think I'd have ridden it in my socks.
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Old 10-17-2008, 08:16 AM   #190
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you can see here some of the new mods but not the last ones to come
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2430849...246430/detail/
go to the pics with the "after" link under
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Old 10-18-2008, 07:41 AM   #191
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you can see here some of the new mods but not the last ones to come
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2430849...246430/detail/
go to the pics with the "after" link under
I'm only seeing the 23 older photos and other sets that have been up a while. I'll have to get some shots of my recent wiring and dash mods, too.
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Old 10-18-2008, 07:47 AM   #192
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you got this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/2430849...7600541246430/
and the new one http://www.flickr.com/photos/30464019@N04/2949544850/
and this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/2430849...7600541246430/
and the new one http://www.flickr.com/photos/30464019@N04/2853360294/
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Old 10-18-2008, 08:38 PM   #193
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In order to get my 'Fant set up for winter riding, I've completed a few electrical mods. It's all worked out well on my bike, so maybe this will give one of you an idea or two that you'd like to try.

First is the underseat accessory wiring:

There are three distribution blocks. Just behind the battery, the one on the right is unswitched +12V, fed by the yellow wire with 25A inline fuse. Behind that is a 30A relay switched by splicing the yellow tail light wire, which feeds the block in front of the tail light connector for switched +12V. The block on the left is ground. The switched power feeds a Signal Dynamics LED voltage monitor, Symtec grip heaters, and SAE plug for my electric vest. Unswitched power goes to a second plug for charging the battery, or power to my tank bag for charging my cell or mp3 player. I hate crimp connections, so I'd like to be able to say that I soldered everything, but I didn't. I may end up redoing parts of it at some point. The battery is an AGM Battery Mart YTX16-BS-1 (14 Ah, 240 CCA). There's plenty of room, so if I was ordering another, I might try to find a bigger one that would fit. Once I'm underway, it charges fine with the headlights, electric vest, and grips all on high, anyway. YMMV, since my bike has an upgraded r/r and starter cables. Having the heated items on switched power means I don't have to worry about draining the battery while stopping for fuel or whatever.

Next is the cockpit view:

The Trail Tech Vector and 60Cx use unswitched power off of the starter relay. There's also a remote for the Vector next to the left switchgear (not shown). My dash fuses had previously cooked themselves, so I had replaced the fuse block with weather-proof inline fuse holders. My plastic "Fuse" cover was also cracked (they're NLA from Cagiva), so I cut a piece of 1/8" aluminum sheet to match the old cover, and used that to mount the grip heater switch and the voltage monitor LED. It'd look a little better with black screws, and I'll have to find one of those rubber toggle switch covers. Grip heat is wonderful! The ignition switch surround was a bit faded, so I used some "bumper black" type paint on it. The hand guards are KTM plastic.

Here's how I mounted the Vector:

The two white plastic threaded standoff posts were found at the hardware store, and I used a piece of scrap 1/16" Al sheet to make the adapter plate between the Vector and posts. I had to drill an oblong hole through the dash big enough to fit the largest of the Vector connectors. It came out looking pretty clean. The Vector has a number of useful functions, including accurate speedo, total and trip odometer in miles or km, ambient and cylinder head (or oil) temperature, clock and timer, etc.

You may very well wonder why there's no windscreen. The best deal I found on replacements was from Eagle in Australia, so I ended up ordering two different sizes to try. I hope to have them in another week or two.
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:39 AM   #194
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Hi all

beginning 10h40 am
end of fight at 19h45 pm .
including meal, coffee and some pauses

How to change the mean consumeable on a fant

1) need a bik and some space (ok little space)


2) Seat off and rear plastics to access battery


3)get the battery off (minus first)



4) gett the silencer off .. gosh

It exploded .. that explain the nose after the last ride

5) There, I feel happy to put good quality Chc screw everywhere


6) the good thing with an exploded silencer : it's very easy to remove

the carbon thing is dead

and removing continue


7) a tank ? get out !


8) rear frame also



9) Front fairing


10) crash bars and oil change


11) exhaust out


12) the swingarm has to be released so the support shoud be under the frame


13) get the lower axle out


14) better without the wheel


15) outside, my neighbors find I'm crazy
puisque le berceau alu à rejoint ses camarades

16) time to change the front sprocket no ?


17) swingarm out too


18) shock and hi support too (this part is specific to the IE models !)

look at the screw pluged into the rear footpeg support to block the kick to be able to get the swing arm axle out
some cleaning neccessary non ?


19) get the engine on the ground


20) the new one is ready

he should go there


21) the cleaned shock support goes on his place
the chair goes on the ground


22) get the frame on the engine


23) put the swingarm back and the shock also


24) should use a wheel

wow .. quite high no ?

get the chair out


so a lucky explorer with a engine ZDM906LEI*000092* !! out the 750 cc


25) quite the end


the longest part : get all the connector re plugged, carbs, ignition and alll
some fuel

but she don't start ..


lets look at the ignition
get the plug out


get the engine at the right position

and

and

so distribution is allright


open the ignition of the engine after having prepared a spare cover to put the screw on their right place

gas pump out, some little things too (selecteur)


get the cover out


shit !! not at the right place



after repositionning and 8 tims round I get this when the engine is at the right position


seems to be ok
tomorrow new sealant and a new battery

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Old 10-20-2008, 07:50 AM   #195
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Nice project, Flyben. I noticed there were at least three fewer bottles of vino in your rack towards the end.

I'm tempted to find a 900 Monster or other engine (or heads) with a little more juice to put in mine. I'd like to be a little closer in street performance to the KTM 950/990 bikes; maybe split the difference, anyway.
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