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Old 08-27-2010, 05:09 PM   #151
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I added this one to the front post: Avoid the dirt road from Santiago Atilan to San Pedro in Guatemala.

Like Lone Rider says, eventually somebody's going to kill these bastards. Ok, "kill" is my word.
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Old 10-14-2010, 01:57 PM   #152
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Crashmaster lives up to his name here: Bolivia: Uyuni - Laguna Verde, exit question. This is like, well, the photos are F*&king amazing.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:45 PM   #153
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BeachGuy has this one: Orange Beach, AL to Jaco Beach, Costa Rica

I don't know why he stopped in CR, when all the good looking Colombian women are in Panama...
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:51 AM   #154
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I'm just a little slow, about 2 weeks ago Bananaman showed me how to link my ride report to this forum. So today I'll practice what he preached.

Don't miss out on my ride report.

Orange Beach, AL to Jaco Beach, Costa Rica

OK, Bananaman now I'll go get a rum and coke for you.
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:06 AM   #155
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Update

I'm working on an updated summary right now. I've got everything looking OK in my HTML editor but when I put it here it all disappears.

As soon as I figure out what's going on there will be a new summary posted here.

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Old 11-27-2010, 08:53 AM   #156
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Updates - General & Specific Information

Until I can figure out how to get everything in one update, I'm going to post several new replies to get the updates out there.

Essential reading before you take ANY trip south of the border...Mexico and Central America Ride Planning and Road Wisdom

General information:
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Third Annual Latin American Riders' Rallye - ALARR III
Second Annual Latin American Riders' Rally
Prostitution's legal, ain't it?
Shipping bike from Panama to Colombia
A list of sailboats and captains from Panama to Colombia





Specific information:...
Cruthas......Crossing of the Darien
Boyscout... Chickens hogs and other road hazards
Boyscout... Machu Pichu, the alternate route
Mickycito... South America Top 10 Rides
singaporedream... How i cross central america without paying/getting any 'helpers'
GastonUSAChile... How to reach Cusco-Machupicchu from the back
Tama's Tigre... Top Ten Roads in Mexico
Secret Agent Man...Rio Sereno border crossing / Panama into Costa Rica
crashmaster...Maps of Argentina(see next link also)
moto-treks...GPS Maps of South America
crashmaster...Peru Route Question
crashmaster...Bolivia: Uyuni - Laguna Verde, exit question

The next 2 posts relate to bandits on the road between Santiago and San Pedro on Lake Atitlan, Guatemala
daveg...Avoid the dirt road from Santiago Atilan to San Pedro in Guatemala
gravitygreg...Guatemala, Lago Atitlan, Bandito

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Old 11-27-2010, 09:03 AM   #157
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The Whole Enchilada & South America

The whole enchilada:...

strikingviking...Striking Viking bumming the world (Now sending Glen our well wishes)
bananaman... Latin America!
Ozymandias... Seattle to Argentina on a KLR650
Funklab... Charlotte to Canada to South America
Luciousiq... 2 UP from 5 to 9 - from New York to Brazil
Jean-Luc... Chasing Summer
Charles Sequin... South America: Until our Luck or Money Runs Out
Thornado... Southern Exposure: Seattle to Argentina
Hi-Jay... Patagonia-Bound
Gpothaven... Americas - All the way up, all the way down...
sp4ce... 2up to TDF (San Francisco to Ushuaia)
AndyT... Cheesehead rides from Texas to Tierra del Fuego - '06-'07
BriKielyGSman... Two up - Going down +1: South America Bound
Salcar... A Journey For Healthcare: 21 countries, 60,000 KM and 11 months on the road
robocop1... Dave & Pam's Excellent Adventure To Ushuaia
GatoGato... GatoGato's Ride from Iowa to South America
2uprtw... 2up to India via Tierra del Fuego
Aussie Gringo... Southern Comfort
Flyingavanti... South American Adventure - 2 up on a R100GS
stickfigure... SF to Panama... eventually
daveg... Texas to Tierra del Fuego
daveg... Avoid the dirt road from Santiago Atilan to San Pedro in Guatemala
RockiesTwin... Second World - For the first Time
Frodo... There (Ushuaia) and back again
redwagonrider... Jen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
SunnySideUp... Runnin' Home - Tierra Del Fuego to Oregon!
Tshusband... Chicago to Ushuaia; South America Here I Come!
DiabloBlanco... Summer '09 - Venezuela to Minnestoa
thecanoeguy... Alaska to Tierra del Fuego: Cheap Aussie Style!!
Throttlemeister... 33 1/3 N C S
moto-treks... Moto Trek’n to South America
crashmaster... No Fumar Español: South from San Diego
drrags... Bug Murderers Assault South America!
Oisin... The Ruta 40....
MotoAdventureGal... My year of Motorcycle Vagabonding Part B: Mexico-Central America-South America
Airhead Wrangler... Seattle to TDF and back on an airhead
Misery_Goat...Same as it ever was…heading to Latin America
Dachary...Corporate Runaways - Boston to Ushuaia on 2 BMW F650GSs
RoadHD...Central and South America on a Road King






South America:...
AdventureGoddess... Buenos Aires to Quito (via Brazil,Venezuela,and Colombia)
ahoraquemister... Bogota to Buenos Aires and everything in between.
tmotten... Buenos Aires to ......... Buenos Aires
mikepa... Hacking My Way to Tierra del Fuego & Ushuaia
Flash412... Touring Tierra del Fuego &tc.
Robson Jaborá/SC... Argentina and Chile - December/2009
candohomeCarol and Aaron's Honeymoon Adventure





Venezuala:...
SS in Vzla.... A dozen drops in the Venezuelan Andes
Teddy... La Gran Sabana - Venezuela
Flash412... Venezuela = "Free" Gasoline





Bolivia:...
Martincito... Uyuni, Laguna Colorada and Verde Mini Report





Peru:...
RockyRoads... One Couple's Highs and Lows in Northern Peru





Colombia:...
Calrider... OK, so we're riding Colombia 2 up on a China Bike
SS in Vzla.... 11 Days Through Colombia





French Guiana, Suriname, Guyana...
markharf...French Guiana, Suriname, Guyan



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Old 11-27-2010, 09:05 AM   #158
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Mexico & Central America

Mexico/Central America:...
bgoodsoil... Central America on a Shoestring
Jeff Munn... Finding PANAMA
Nata Harli... Nata Harli's Journey - Panama to the US
Lone Rider... Lower Latitudes - Better Attitudes
nailit2em... Kansas City to Costa Rica May 08
Coug66... ride reports sent me to Costa Rica
LoneRider... Nobody is Home
Ideikis... 2 months in Mexico solo on a KLR...
Throttlemeister... A Mute and His Trusty Mule Travel Mexico in Winter RR'08
LaOutbackTrail... The Mexican Titty Bar Tour
tricepilot... On Mexican Time
tricepilot... Tricepilot's...Into the Blue at Quintana Roo
tricepilot... Vaquero
tricepilot... Copper Canyon and Batopilas
tricepilot... Tricepilot's...The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
BigDogAdventures.com... Barrancas Del Cobre--BigDog/The Breeze
Lone Rider... Lower Latitudes - Better Attitudes
gaspipe... San Pedro Canyon, BCS....
gaspipe... Baja 2009: How Many Beers Did We Drink Last Night?
gaspipe... A Few Gaspipe Days of Baja Norte....
gaspipe... Bruce Lee Rides Again - Summit to Sea in Central Mexico...
gaspipe... The Road Less Traveled to Copper Canyon
gaspipe... Gaspipe's "No Te Ahuitas" Tour - Urique/Batopilas
gaspipe... A Few Gaspipe Days of Baja Norte....
gaspipe... Baja Asylum Run '06....Baja or Bajaj?
gaspipe... Pandilla Terracería a Creel: Road Less Traveled Part 3
gaspipe... The Road Less Traveled - Part Deux
gaspipe... Baja Asylum Run 2007 - Dirt to the Tropic Of Cancer
Pedro Navaja... I Escape to Mexico After Doing Three Sisters
Arte... Guanajuato - Zacatecas Mexico Ride
Arte... Mcallen TX -Reynosa -Real de 14 México and back in 4 days
Arte... Short Trip to Sierra de Arteaga MEXICO
Arte... We went to grill steaks 300 miles south of MEX Border
Arte... World's Deepest Flooded Sinkhole
Arte... 2K miles McAllen TX-Veracruz-Zacatecas-Michoacan
neduro... Thes are the days...
BeachBusker... Baja 1000 Race View from Mile Post 980
BeachBusker... Park & Ride to Mike's Sky Ranch
BeachBusker... Park & Ride to the Ship Wreck at Punta San Jacinto
BeachBusker... FOUND: KLR in Baja
BeachBusker... Another Reason to Ride Baja
BeachBusker... Baja MisAdventure
BeachBusker... Cruise Ship Port of Call in Cabo San Lucas
BeachBusker... http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...06&postcount=5
BeachBusker... Six Day Camping Loop of BCS from La Paz
BeachBusker... Tragic Baja News Links
bcostell... Baja and Beyond, once the rain stops
NWAF... CA to Baja - going south
Ibarra... Por La Sierra de Chihuahua...
Gsteve... Dos Naranjas en Catorce
rickcorwn... I Hate Mexico, I Love Mexico, I Hate Mexico, I Love Mexico
miguelito... Mainland Mexico via Baja
Flash412... The Wrong Stuff (Baja)
xymotic... Baja Trip to the tip RR
drifter dave... Temples, Tires and Tyrants: 75 days to C.A. and back.
Rockin Rollin... Fly-Ride West Ride - Panama to Alaska & Beyond
disbanded... Another Boring Mexico Trip
disbanded... Misadventures in Mexico - Chapter 2, The Copper Canyon Chronicles
crackerguy... The Wrong Tool for the Job? Mexico by Sportbike
Antontrax... Way out West - Canada to Central America
Mendo... California To Panama Super Adventura
dwj - Donnie...My Wife And I Ride Mexico For A Month
Charla...Palapa Chair
roadracer...Baja on a Whim7
halfthrottle...Utah To Panama And Back
Antontrax...Way out West - Canada to Central America
Jammin...Jammin thru the Global South
High Side...SQUIDVENTURE Costa Rica
igorshen...Yet another KLR succumbed to the Latin fever
Matteo2...Incidents of Motorcycle Travel in Yucatan.....
Baron Bolton...Bluffers guide to Baja - - Racing the San Felipe 250
drrags...Stooges Eat Baja Surf and Turf
JDowns...Panama and back on a 250 Super Sherpa Minimalist Adventure
Live2Ride...Mi Vale Madre and Live2Ride's 08 Baja ADVenture. An open invitation
Eduardo...Escape the Tundra: 10th Winter in Mexico/Guatemala
Eduardo...The Road to Guatemala
BeachGuy...Orange Beach, AL to Jaco Beach, Costa Rica





Nicaragua:...
Salcar... Nicaragua: Riding into the unknown





Costa Rica:...
Finger Mullet... Working Man's Costa Rica Ride
DanTheMan07... Costa Rica ride with Wild-Rider
PunkinHead... A week two up in Costa Rica - picture intensive





Guatemala:...
Mr Farkle... Guatemala Lite - A Desk Monkey's adventure





Honduras:...
anderzen... Riding Honduras
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Old 12-12-2010, 10:10 AM   #159
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Corporate Runaways - Boston to Ushuaia on 2 BMW F650GSs

Kay and Dachary hit the road to Ushuaia. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642642

Central & SA on a Road King???? WFT??? http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603979


NOTE: Both RRs added to "The Whole Enchilada"
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:19 AM   #160
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Dr. Benny's work on the Motorcycle Mexico DVD is absolutely amazing. First he rode to Ushuaia. He came to the Third Annual Latin America Rider Rallye and interviewed everyone with SOB (south of border) experience. He went back to Mexico with the specific goal of gathering information to help others. He went out of his way to find other experts and experienced riders. The work is outstanding. It's only $36.99.

note: in the 5 minute trailer, there's a quick shot of shrimp. I took that photo. Those shrimp were really good. Easily worth the trip.

http://www.motorcyclemexico.com/2011...ycle+Mexico%29
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From "Two Arms and a Head: The Death of a Newly Paraplegic Philosopher," located here: www.2arms1head.com.

Three weeks into my trip, a few hours south of Acapulco, a donkey ran in front of me and I hit it going around sixty miles per hour. I remember every detail perfectly. Two donkeys were on the left side of the road. One looked kind of skittish as I approached. I immediately remembered something from my motorcycle safety course about evading pursuing dogs by speeding up at just the right moment. I also simultaneously realized that this didn’t apply but was feeling a bit aggressive and impatient just then. I found much of Mexico disgustingly filthy beyond any conceivable reason apart from pure slovenliness, was approached and had my pocket picked on the street two nights earlier by a transvestite hooker, and had to go through some bullshit with another guy who had ripped me off the night before. I of course expected those sorts of things on the trip but was just a little impatient to reach Guatemala. So as soon as the idea of accelerating occurred to me, I did it. The donkey, probably alarmed by the sound of the engine, started suddenly into the road, jumping like someone had whipped it. Then just as suddenly it relaxed, casually trotted along, and stopped directly in front of me. A message should have gone from my brain to my right hand and foot, telling them to operate the brakes, but the situation somewhat perplexed me so I didn’t react properly. I have zero experience with donkeys so to me this was almost as bizarre as if it had been a hippopotamus. “A donkey?” That is what my brain said. “Donkey?!”
So instead of braking I tried to go around him to the right but his head was just about to the edge of the road and there was a ditch for a shoulder. This all happened in a matter of seconds. The vivid detail with which I remember these last moments is quite pronounced in my mind. Up to the very point of impact, my visual image of the donkey’s face was perfectly sharp. I saw the texture of his furry head in increasingly close-up detail as my eyes came within about three feet of him. The next thing may sound odd or it may not, but just before the left end of my handlebar smashed into his face and killed him I perceived him to be expressing some kind of emotion. He looked a bit crestfallen, or penitent. Maybe it was just the normal downward position of his head that gave me this impression, but he seemed to lower it perhaps slightly more than usual and to cast his eyes down like an abused dog, submissively resigned to a beating it sees coming. Or maybe my imagination is running away with me. Anyhow, I’ve since said to myself many times “Fucking donkey!” but the truth is that I have no resentment toward him. I hope he had a good donkey life.
To digress for a moment, here’s my advice for those who conduct motorcycle safety courses and write the books that go along with them. Include somewhere the following sentence. “If you see an animal on the side of the road ahead of you, slow down immediately.” Maybe include some pictures of animals so the brain can associate the idea more readily to the visual stimulus. Most people who read this might think I’m a complete fool for not knowing this without being told. As Gracian said: “The world is full of fools; and he who would not wish to see one, must not only shut himself up alone, but must also break his looking-glass.” So I won’t argue. There is no question that I was an inexperienced, aggressive, cocky motorcycle rider. Whatever the case may be I can say with some confidence that if I had read that precise sentence in my safety manual my brain, instead of going to the file about evading menacing dogs, would have pulled the file concerning animals on the side of the road. The idea “brake” would then have suggested itself instead “accelerate”, and I might just be happy and having the time of my life studying law in Venice right now, with wine and gondolas and pretty girls.
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:31 AM   #162
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Need advice

I've been perusing the Ride Reports to try and update this thread.

I've noticed something good and bad about this. It's good that so many FFs are riding in LA and writing RRs about their experiences.

It's bad for me trying to keep this thread updated. There are just too many new RRs to include in my updates. It's a dilemma that I don't quite know how to solve.

If you are in this thread because you are looking for information on riding in LA, that's good. But, if you are overwhelmed by all the information, that's bad.

So, what to do? One thing I'm certain of is that including ALL the RRs written about LA is not the solution. First of all, the summary will eventually be overwhelming.

Next, there are good RRs and bad RRs out there. That's just a fact of life. I want to cull out the bad ones but I don't have the time to go through every RR on LA.

My thinking is to use some sort of nomination process. Maybe PM me with your nomination and when I receive x number of nominations, I'll include that particular RR in my summary.

This is not the process yet. I'm looking for some suggestions as to how to handle this so the summaries would have more meaning for you. If you are finding this thread and the summaries helpful please send me some suggestions as to how we should proceed with this thread.

Thanks.
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:49 AM   #163
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I like the nomination process but ultimately an editor must make the final decision. ADV rider has had the problem of too much information for years now. Nothing new there. Too many participants ... we can't all be geniuses!

IMHO, many RR's are dismal and boring with poor photography. I know you are old enough to remember what an editor does. Seems on the internets there are no gatekeepers ... as everyone is a fucking expert! ... apparently! I recommend a book called The Cult Of The Amateur ... it's all about the internet and where it's leading us.

Too much content turns into one big clusterfuck. So a talent spotter is what is needed. Someone familiar with the anthology concept. Cream of the crop and all.

I know I tend to skip any report that spends 15 pages talking about prepping and packing for the ride while still in the US and showing stop overs at relatives houses on the way South. Only a few have done this right. Anton is one ... but his pics are world class. He has a rare thing, it's called TALENT ... and it's in extremely short supply on ADV.

I wouldn't even try to review all reports. Let others help with that and link you to ones they feel are worth while. When you find out certain of your assoc. editors haven't a clue ... you can get recommendations from others.

I would cull the very best parts of RR's and include them in a kind of anthology ... sort of like a book of the best short stories and pics.
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Thats a tough chore sorting through the noise to get to the good stuff since there are so many Latin America ride reports going on.

I considered not posting a ride report of my travels for various reasons, not least of which was adding to the noise. If I were to do it all over again, I would make a fraction of the posts that I did, and only post the more interesting or unusual stuff, kind of a "best of" from my trip. 5 or 10 posts would have been worthy, but the rest of my report was mostly noise. We have all seen Mayan and Inca ruins and the Ushuaia sign, and backpacker hotels, changing a tire ad nauseum, and I posted the same mediocre crap as well. My report was probably a little better than some, and not as good as many others, but I had no illusions that my trip would be much of an adventure as it was more of a long travel experience seeing some cool stuff and meeting great people along the way. The moto was just my tool to do it and enabled me to go places that most folks never get to see. As far as being an expert or having real talent for writing and photography, I think those folks are few and far between.

IMO riding Latin America was probably a real adventure 30 or 40 years ago, but today, not so much. Its just too easy to do these days I think. You have the internet everywhere, ATM's everywhere, bikes are reliable methods of transport, fuel, food, and hotels are available everywhere, parts and support is usually easy to come by, every place is safe enough to visit, the gringo trail is chocked full of travelers, so its just not the balls out adventure that it probably once was. There is adventure to be had out there, but you have to seek it out. Again, everyone is different in this respect as well. Of course maybe I'm a little jaded by now.

Ride Reports that blast through all of the Americas in a couple months on the Pan Am dont interest me very much since its been done a million times before. Its seems today that many folks do it for bragging rights to say they rode a motorcycle from Alaska to Ushuaia, which is fine, to each their own, but it doesnt make for very interesting reading for the simple fact that so many people are doing it these days.

I like the reports where folks explore places, do something a little different, and really get out there, thats the good stuff. If they are good photographers like Anton, thats a huge bonus. YMMV.

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Now this is a very good idea! Any volunteers?
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I like the nomination process but ultimately an editor must make the final decision. ADV rider has had the problem of too much information for years now. Nothing new there. Too many participants ... we can't all be geniuses!

IMHO, many RR's are dismal and boring with poor photography. I know you are old enough to remember what an editor does. Seems on the internets there are no gatekeepers ... as everyone is a fucking expert! ... apparently! I recommend a book called The Cult Of The Amateur ... it's all about the internet and where it's leading us.

Too much content turns into one big clusterfuck. So a talent spotter is what is needed. Someone familiar with the anthology concept. Cream of the crop and all.

I know I tend to skip any report that spends 15 pages talking about prepping and packing for the ride while still in the US and showing stop overs at relatives houses on the way South. Only a few have done this right. Anton is one ... but his pics are world class. He has a rare thing, it's called TALENT ... and it's in extremely short supply on ADV.

I wouldn't even try to review all reports. Let others help with that and link you to ones they feel are worth while. When you find out certain of your assoc. editors haven't a clue ... you can get recommendations from others.

I would cull the very best parts of RR's and include them in a kind of anthology ... sort of like a book of the best short stories and pics.
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Thats a tough chore sorting through the noise to get to the good stuff since there are so many Latin America ride reports going on.

I considered not posting a ride report of my travels for various reasons, not least of which was adding to the noise. If I were to do it all over again, I would make a fraction of the posts that I did, and only post the more interesting or unusual stuff, kind of a "best of" from my trip. 5 or 10 posts would have been worthy, but the rest of my report was mostly noise. We have all seen Mayan and Inca ruins and the Ushuaia sign, and backpacker hotels, changing a tire ad nauseum, and I posted the same mediocre crap as well. My report was probably a little better than some, and not as good as many others, but I had no illusions that my trip would be much of an adventure as it was more of a long travel experience seeing some cool stuff and meeting great people along the way. The moto was just my tool to do it and enabled me to go places that most folks never get to see. As far as being an expert or having real talent for writing and photography, I think those folks are few and far between.

IMO riding Latin America was probably a real adventure 30 or 40 years ago, but today, not so much. Its just too easy to do these days I think. You have the internet everywhere, ATM's everywhere, bikes are reliable methods of transport, fuel, food, and hotels are available everywhere, parts and support is usually easy to come by, every place is safe enough to visit, the gringo trail is chocked full of travelers, so its just not the balls out adventure that it probably once was. There is adventure to be had out there, but you have to seek it out. Again, everyone is different in this respect as well. Of course maybe I'm a little jaded by now.

Ride Reports that blast through all of the Americas in a couple months on the Pan Am dont interest me very much since its been done a million times before. Its seems today that many folks do it for bragging rights to say they rode a motorcycle from Alaska to Ushuaia, which is fine, to each their own, but it doesnt make for very interesting reading for the simple fact that so many people are doing it these days.

I like the reports where folks explore places, do something a little different, and really get out there, thats the good stuff. If they are good photographers like Anton, thats a huge bonus. YMMV.




Now this is a very good idea! Any volunteers?
Thanks for the input. I'm still not sure how to handle this but your input helps!
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