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Old 09-27-2009, 08:38 PM   #196
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Thanks JD, but I think I'll have to skip it. Way too many usernames and passwords as it is...

Great job on both of these bikes though guys, really. You've really got me thinking.

Oh, one other question I have, and this one is for JD since he used the Versys front end. I'm wondering if there's anything holding you back from using the triple clamp, and then instead of using the forks, put in some DRZ forks or something? Are the upper and lower clamps a different diameter than one another? I saw you mentioned having to use the whole set-up a couple of times, so...
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Old 09-27-2009, 09:25 PM   #197
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My thoughts have been wandering lately. Has anyone seen my shoehorn?



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Old 09-27-2009, 09:48 PM   #198
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An XR650R, thats a well sorted bike, lightweight good suspenders, and a reliable racer. I don't think your 650 twin is going to help it out any. It certianly will weigh more when your done, which will probably cancel the horsepower gain.

Btw, really like the work you did on your bike.

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Old 09-27-2009, 10:37 PM   #199
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An XR650R, thats a well sorted bike, lightweight good suspenders, and a reliable racer. I don't think your 650 twin is going to help it out any. It certianly will weigh more when your done, which will probably cancel the horsepower gain.

Btw, really like the work you did on your bike.

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Thank you. The goal wouldn't be making the XR650R better at what it's already good at but to make my lightweight adventure bike better than what it is now. Just starting to kick the idea around but I'm thinking it would be lighter than what I have now (398 tank empty). Dunno....lots to ponder. It's fun to think of the possibilities.
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:47 PM   #200
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The XR is a cool bike. I'm not sure if you are looking at the bike for ideas for your ninja, or thinking about dualsporting the XR.

There are some drawbacks to dualsporting the XR. The motor is race breed and the oil change intervals are at 1000 miles. The rear subframe is weak and isn't made for hauling cases or gear. The tires are sized more for off road work than highway. I went up one tooth in the front, but you were still holding the RPM up high to go 80 on the interstate. It only has a kickstarter. If you want a more dirtworthy machine than a KLR or a 640Adv, the XR would be a good platform.

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Old 09-27-2009, 10:52 PM   #201
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Ahh, that's where we were disconnecting. I was thinking the XRR chassis with the Ninja motor! That's what the "shoehorn" comment was all about. Crazy I know.
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:58 PM   #202
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I was going the right direction with the first post. I figured the ninja motor would be heavier than the XR motor with all the extra control goodies and no place to hang the crap. Thus the extra weight of the ninja motor and parts would offset the power gains. And the XR still doesn't have a rear subframe to hang your paniers on.
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:17 PM   #203
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Offset the power gains but eliminate kick only and 1000 mile oil change interval. That's a win/win in my book.

I wasn't aware of the subframe issue. Nobody has come up with a stronger one? BTW, thanks for your input. Another reason I love ADV
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:36 AM   #204
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beedub-the versys trees are 50mm top and 52mm bottom. other forks may work.

the 650r twin weighs about 140#. not sure how that compares with the 650 honda thumper. there's the recent photos of the 650 twin motor in the xr600 frame-ebay listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

he modified a few things to get it in there and it also looks like the engine is angled forward to clear at the top.

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Old 09-28-2009, 06:15 AM   #205
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That thing is cool and definately helpful to study but from what I hear the 2000 and newer XR/R is light years ahead of that vintage XR.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:38 AM   #206
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tony, you already know about that KTM being built with the 650 twin. that looks promising.

i'm leaning toward a ninja in rally trim. just got a new (to me) 07 with 500 miles to tear into. man, these things can be found really cheap. with the weight of the engine as a given, it is really hard to do much better than you did at around 400#. the streetbike crowd has trouble getting this bike below 375 with carbon fiber parts. usd forks add weight, as does more fuel capacity, etc. mine will end up over 400, hopefully not too piggy.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:43 AM   #207
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Thanks for the measurements JD. That might work with the DRZ forks with some sort of spacers, but I'll have to look into it more. I'm guessing they need to be the same diameter for those forks.

By the way, I was reading that KTM shoehorn thread with interest as well. I meant to post this link here for you guys as well. All kinds of downloads including the service and parts manuals for the 650r, free, here.

Tony, nice XRR!

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Old 09-28-2009, 08:08 AM   #208
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i'm sure you saw the photo of the versys with the husky fork assembly and spoke wheels. if they can fit the versys, they'll fit the 650r also.
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:11 PM   #209
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I wasn't aware of the subframe issue. Nobody has come up with a stronger one?
Yes, people have made them, but then you have to redo the suspension for the weight and fuel tanks you'll hang on it. The KLR is an easier route if you need to do all that.

If you want a desert capable dirt bike that you want to dual purpose and travel lightweight, the XR works good. But if you want heavy touring rig, it is too lightweight and the motor is race breed. The XR is cool bike and a blast to ride though. YMMV and IMHO

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Old 09-29-2009, 07:32 PM   #210
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i'm sure you saw the photo of the versys with the husky fork assembly and spoke wheels. if they can fit the versys, they'll fit the 650r also.
Are you referring to the green one with the yellow front fender from OZ? Yes, I have seen that!

So, he just took the triple off of a husky, and they fit? Do you know which model?
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