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Old 10-29-2014, 01:09 PM   #1
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Canadian buying a bike in Scotland.

Hey guys, I'm planning a last minute jaunt to Scotland, with the intention of buying a bike to ride around the UK for a month. The ultimate plan will be to sell it before I return home.

Couple questions:

1) Purchase documents and taxes? Where to go, and how much etc.

2) Insurance? Again, where to go and how much, but also I'm a foreign citizen, and not sure how that will work.

3) Tips on where/how to buy? I'll be flying into Glasgow, and envision starting to shop around on the various for sale sites, ie gumtree etc. Better option?

4) If anyone has a shop with used bikes they reccomend, or, a 600cc ish sport bike they are looking to sell, I'm all ears too.

Thanks!
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Old 10-29-2014, 01:45 PM   #2
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You might want to check with Martin at motofeirme.com. He's very knowledgeable and always willing to share. I keep a bike with him in Kinsale, Co Cork, Ireland and he's handled the purchase, insurance, storage and maintenance when needed. Never a problem. Have a great trip.
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Old 10-30-2014, 02:36 AM   #3
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I would recommend these folks as they are only a 20-30 min walk from the centre of town and have one of the biggest used stocks and a good variety of bikes. Prices maybe are not the keenest, certainly compared to buying privately (local gumtree as you know) but the bikes are usually in good condition. Have a haggle.

http://www.ride-on-motorcycles.co.uk/

When are you thinking of coming over? Best time to buy bikes is now but "season" does not get going to probably April. Although it is not unkown for march to be mild (into double figures in Celsius)

Hope this has been of some use to you!
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Old 10-30-2014, 06:50 AM   #4
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Buying the bike I think will be the easy bit and you won't have to pay any taxes apart from road tax and the seller should be able to do this before you buy this will also ensure that the bike has been tested (MOT)

The insurance you may find problematic

You MUST have insurance it's not optional

There's other threads on here on that very subject as to how successful they were I'm not sure
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:21 AM   #5
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Cheers.

I'll check those links.

I'll likely be on Scottish soil within the next 3-6 days... As I said, pretty last minute.

I'm not too worried about the weather, I live on the west coast of Canada, and from what I've read the weather seems comparable. Maybe I'm wrong?

I'll have to dig into the insurance and MOT thing.

All input appreciated.

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Old 10-30-2014, 09:44 AM   #6
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The registration document is known as a V5. In the UK vehicle documents are dealt with by the DVLA Driver Vehicle and Licenceing Agency based just outside Swansea. All UK cities have ANPR cameras (Autonatic Number Plate Recognition) on main routes.

Vehicles over 3 years old require an MOT test (Ministry of transport). Transferring ownership is free and done by sending part of the V5 with new owner details to the DVLA. You will need a postal address in the UK for receipt of the V5 with your details. Any vehicle used on public roads requires road tax. You can apply for this online. You need valid insurance and MOT before you can sort out tax.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables

Motorcycle (with or without sidecar) (TC17)
Engine size (cc) 12 months rate 6 months rate
Not over 150 17.00 Not available
151-400 38.00 Not available
401-600 58.00 31.90
Over 600 80.00 44.00


Any untaxed vehicle must declare SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) to DVLA.

https://www.gov.uk/checks-when-buying-a-used-car

Check fleabay, Autotrader, Motorcycle News for classifieds.

In the UK I used Carole Nash for insurance who have free European breakdown cover and discounts for older bikes.

http://www.carolenash.com

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Old 11-04-2014, 01:49 AM   #7
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The only issue you may have is with insurance. Most insurance companies will require a UK address as the premiums are worked out depending on where you live. If you live in a high risk area for theft or accidents the premium goes up.

Most insurance is also annual and if you cancel part way through the year you won't get back all of what you haven't used. Although they are not the cheapest, I use e-bike insurance. Everything is done on the internet and I can always get a quote through them even when other companies refuse to quote because of the modifications to my bike. They also do a pay monthly policy which may work out well for you.

For private sales you should try eBay and auto trader in addition to gum tree. Prices tend to be lower at this time of year as fewer people are buying bikes heading in to the winter but that also means that there may be less choice as many private sellers will wait until the spring when there is more demand. You may be able to haggle with a dealer though.

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Old 11-04-2014, 07:39 AM   #8
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Lots of great advice.

Ebike website has been down the last few days, so can't check online. However, one thought I had was to stay at an airbnb flat vs hotel, to provide a "proper" Scottish address re insurance. Thoughts?

Also trying to determine if the insurance will require a UK drivers license?

I've been slightly delayed, but very much intend to fly out this week.

Cheers!
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Old 11-04-2014, 11:52 AM   #9
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Well this is turning into an unexpected tangled web...

This thread seems to have the most comprehensive info I've been able to find:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=958196

Still some unanswered questions though. Sigh...
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Old 11-04-2014, 12:21 PM   #10
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Is it worth looking at hire? Out of season now here really so possibly some deals to be had? May be more viable due to insurance and the hassle of selling at the end of your jaunt.
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Old 11-04-2014, 12:35 PM   #11
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Correct about the simplicity, however the cheapest I'm finding is around GBP 70/day for the type of bike I'm after. That adds up over a month... I've inquired about long term rental rates, with no response yet...

Considering this option:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=868979
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:08 PM   #12
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Correct about the simplicity, however the cheapest I'm finding is around GBP 70/day for the type of bike I'm after. That adds up over a month... I've inquired about long term rental rates, with no response yet...

Considering this option:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=868979
I believe Martin has a few bikes for sale in his barn right now, a sweet looking Verseys for 3000 Euros
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:19 PM   #13
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Well this is turning into an unexpected tangled web...

This thread seems to have the most comprehensive info I've been able to find:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=958196

Still some unanswered questions though. Sigh...
Man. I tried every angle I could think of. Not an easy task.
I would give it a go with Martin. For sure.
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Old 11-08-2014, 12:45 PM   #14
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I live 30 miles from Glasgow - use my address if you want. I don't think you'll have a problem getting insurance just that it might be pricey.
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Old 11-10-2014, 11:56 AM   #15
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^^^ Thanks very much for the offer, but I've arrived in Dublin, and plan to head south to meet Martin in regards to buying a bike from him.
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