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Old 01-16-2012, 05:42 PM   #481
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I am looking into shipping my F800GS over. (return to its birthplace??). I am wondering if there are any conversions needed?
to get it registered n Germany will be a pia...anything that's not stock on the german version needs to be "eingetragen", which means you need a paper to proof that it's safe to use. so, an aftermarket exhaust, seat or handlebars can already give you trouble.
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:38 PM   #482
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Although I hear the conversion fee is like 2000 EUR. Ouch.
It is rather around 35 Euro plus there is some additional minor fee. The whole thing will come to around 50 Euro.

2000 Euro is rather a price for a license if you make it from scrath.

Have one biometric picture with you of German/European standard. US Biometric standard seems to be different.

Also have proof with you (about the obvious), that shows that you lived in the US for more than 185 days (usual utility bills, phone etc, perhaps even a letter of your former employer about the length of your employment)

You also need a German Translation of your US License, which should be prepared by a Certified German Translator IN Germany.

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Old 01-16-2012, 06:49 PM   #483
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to get it registered n Germany will be a pia...anything that's not stock on the german version needs to be "eingetragen", which means you need a paper to proof that it's safe to use. so, an aftermarket exhaust, seat or handlebars can already give you trouble.
"aftermarket" gear on the bike:

Touratech 20mm bar risers
Touratech Bash plate
Hepco-Becker Carsh bars
Touratech luggage rack
BMW OEM hand guards
TKC 80 tires
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Old 01-16-2012, 06:58 PM   #484
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"aftermarket" gear on the bike:

Touratech 20mm bar risers
Touratech Bash plate
Hepco-Becker Carsh bars
Touratech luggage rack
BMW OEM hand guards
TKC 80 tires

somebody from Germany would have to chime in here - I am gone to long already. I assume the Touratech stuff is fine (still I think it needs to be "eingetragen" im Fahrzeugbrief). An
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:24 PM   #485
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somebody from Germany would have to chime in here - I am gone to long already. I assume the Touratech stuff is fine (still I think it needs to be "eingetragen" im Fahrzeugbrief). An
no neeed to "sign" it to the paperworks for 99% of the touratech stuff.
they got either "ABE" (piece of paper to carry with your documents) or
are fine without anything.

my old grey mule is full of touratechs blingbling and i never took the paperworks
with me.

example:
luggage rack, panniers, etc. > no ABE or papers
and handlebar raisers > small sticker on them with ABE no.
oehlins suspension > have to be in title/paperwork
metal headlight protection case > not allowed to use but no one cares

the license thingie earlier: every german driving license is valid forever if not
taken away because of DUI or similar. BUT since the 2006 regulations are going
to take effect, every driving license obtained after Jan 2013 has an 15 yrs
lifetime. After 15 yrs you have to go to the DMV, hand over a new picture
and sign some paperwork, pay a few bucks and get a new one. There is no
test, medical check or similar.

every "old" license has to be converted before 2033 to a "new one with
expiration date" and will be renewed without any problems or test/check.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:29 PM   #486
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a f800gs it is ...


Touratech 20mm bar risers -> they should have a small sticker, no one cares
Touratech Bash plate -> no problem
Hepco-Becker Carsh bars -> fine
Touratech luggage rack -> fine
BMW OEM hand guards -> fine
TKC 80 tires -> if they are the same as for the german version (speed index etc) you are fine

speedometer > has to have km instead of miles (or both on it).

maybe i missed it, are you with the armed forces or similar, would make
things easier ...
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:24 AM   #487
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a f800gs it is ...

maybe i missed it, are you with the armed forces or similar, would make
things easier ...
Not coming over with the armed forces. SOFA would be a lot easier but not this trip.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:41 AM   #488
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I think I screwed up not getting a new one a few years back anyway: not sure if I still get the trailer and/or 7.5 ton endorsement like my old dl had.
what you need is the extension "CE79" when filling the form for the new license.

the CE79 has to be granted to any new license if the holder wishes to get this
with the "besitzstandswahrung" (acquise preservation) law.

a newer license shall not bring you less rights than the old one. this is why the
CE79 can be added to allow 7.5 to and with trailer up to 12 to.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:43 AM   #489
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what you need is the extension "CE79" when filling the form for the new license.

the CE79 has to be granted to any new license if the holder wishes to get this
with the "besitzstandswahrung" (acquise preservation) law.

a newer license shall not bring you less rights than the old one. this is why the
CE79 can be added to allow 7.5 to and with trailer up to 12 to.

thanks!

One more thing to do when I fly "home" in a few weeks....
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:07 AM   #490
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After 15 yrs you have to go to the DMV, hand over a new picture
and sign some paperwork, pay a few bucks and get a new one. There is no
test, medical check or similar.

every "old" license has to be converted before 2033 to a "new one with
expiration date" and will be renewed without any problems or test/check.
Let's hope they don't create more stringent regulations by then.
After all, about 10 years ago or so, we did not even see this coming.
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:20 AM   #491
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Let's hope they don't create more stringent regulations by then.
After all, about 10 years ago or so, we did not even see this coming.
the law was made in 2006. since it is an EU law, every country has a few years
left before creating their own law based on the EU regulations. in 2013 the
germans are ready for the shit.

and the countries can put them in a form which is not interfering with their
current norms. so a medical check was never necessary, it will not be for
the changed licenses. the truck license (klasse 2 / C) was with a medical
check at the age of 50 for professional drivers and will be. also there can more
restrictive things apply .. based on the law for driving with goods and chemicals
or flammable stuff or something.

perfect example of the driving license rules in the EU, the 125ccm license
A1. you can get the license in germany at the age of 16 and every country
in the EU has to accept the license BUT based on their 125ccm license rule.
this causes that a driver unter the age of 18 with a license A1 is illegal
in austria and belgium but fine in germany, scandinavia, itlay, switzerland
(ok the swiss are not in the EU, so they just accept the german papers).

if you want to go to italy with your bike (125ccm) and you are legal aged
for this in germany (16), you cant cross austria. you have to go to switzerland,
cross the beautiful but expensive land and then go to italy from there.

on a 125ccm, reduced to 80 km/h (german law if you are under 18), from
munich to lago di garda / lago idro area, it is not 400 km, it is nearly 650.
with the extrem high density of speeding cams in switzerland it will take you
2 days instead of a nice daytrip.

but this was not the topic ;)
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:02 PM   #492
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thanks!

One more thing to do when I fly "home" in a few weeks....
Oh you are? Very cool.
Do you plan to do any riding?
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Old 01-22-2012, 06:00 AM   #493
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Oh you are? Very cool.
Do you plan to do any riding?
I wish, but I don't have a bike there anymore, and only one of my friends still has a bike (it's a Harley, so I don't really want to borrow it ). Beginning of march is a crap-shoot with the weather anyway. Time is a factor too... haven't seen my fam in two years.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:35 AM   #494
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Will know for sure in the next two weeks if and when we will be relocating. In the mean time we are occupying ourselves with trying to learn as much as possible about the area (housing, schools,...).

I will probably make a half dozen or so trips over before we relocate the family in late summer.

Looking at either Wiesbaden or Stuttgart as the most likely living candidates.

Also just found out BMW Motorad days are held down south. Bonus!!!
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:54 AM   #495
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Any plan to organise a visit to 2012 ISDE?
I am thinking of taking a ride over to germany to take a look...... http://www.sixdays-germany.de/start_en.php
Hopefully a campsite and beer vendor can be found!

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