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Old 04-03-2008, 07:56 PM   #16
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Welcome Mike to the R11XXGS rig club. I always thought that the R11XX serie was the best tug, and your feedback and comments about your experience on the R1200GS have finished to convince me.
Any upgrade in mind?
In my opinion, the heavy shocks, swaybar, front end mod without changing the angle of the fork, are the Must. My next mouve will be the final drive of a R850 with lower gear.
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Old 04-04-2008, 02:58 AM   #17
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nice rig!

I have a very similar rig that Dauntless helped me put together.

Does it have the TILT? If it does, can we see pics of the structure?

I put 10,000 miles on my 1150/ural rig last season, mostly trouble free.

LOOKS GREAT!
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:15 AM   #18
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I was thinking of getting a Ural but after seeing your great rig I think I might consider hacking my R1200GSA!
For what they cost, the Urals (especially the 2WD Patrols and Gear-Ups) are a real "hack" value, especially when compared to the inherent "design opportunities" of rolling your own. Their off-pavement performance is awesome, and for those who like the whole Russian/Retro package, nothing else can touch them.

The one place where they really suffer is in top end. You'll be frustrated when attempting the superslab in a rig that will only do 60MPH on a good day....

OTOH, they're a fun platform for taking those by-ways and back roads.

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Old 04-04-2008, 08:22 AM   #19
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I am not very familiar with the 1150 GSA, is a 2 wheel drive possble (i.e. single side swingarm), or not desirable?

Did you not change the trail, or did I just miss that?


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Hey Greg -

2WD is possible on most any rig if you're creative enough. Although the English pages aren't done yet, take a look at the German language pages of Mobec, a company I spent a day with back in 2006 while trying to figure out where I wanted to go with U'Hack 2.0 (scroll down to and click on the pics). Not only can they provide an engagable 3rd wheel, but reverse, all coupled through a 2-speed transfer case. Costly though....
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:32 AM   #20
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Did you not change the trail, or did I just miss that?

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Hello (again) Greg -

In regard to the trail, yes, forgot to mention that. Jay at Dauntless came up with a brilliant solution, and this made it an easy decision to have him build my 2nd custom rig. Bascially, he has designed a lower fork clamp (which, on the TeleLever GSes, is coupled to the front of the TeleLever itself), machined out of solid aluminum (or aluminium for our bretheren across the pond), which not only reduces trail, but also maintains the stock ride height.

There use to be a pic on the Dauntless website, but it seems to have disappeared, I'll take some pics and post them in a few days.

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Old 04-04-2008, 08:45 AM   #21
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Any upgrade in mind?
In my opinion, the heavy shocks, swaybar, front end mod without changing the angle of the fork, are the Must. My next mouve will be the final drive of a R850 with lower gear.
Since I've only recently taken delivery, don't have all that many miles on the rig yet. Certainly, something needs to be worked out with the shocks. The tug (which I purchased used) had only 10K miles on it. After the first few test runs, the rear shock seemed alarmingly soft. I swapped it out for a newer one (also a BMW OEM Adventure shock, with only about 500 miles in it), and the results were the same, almost three inches of sag when I sat on the rig (hey, I'm not that friggin fat), and a lot of roll in corners. May need to lighten up the Progressive shock that Dauntless installed on the tub, it seems to be so stiff that the bike "hobby-horses" around the 3rd wheel.

Rear shocks on the oilhead and hexhead GSes seem to be a problem in general, I've had problems with Ohlins, and have seen too many of them fail (catastrophically) on client bikes on tour, to go that route.

One thing that really pleases me about the R1150GS Adventure is, the lowered 1st and 6th gears make for a much better gear ratio set than the standard R1200GS. Our property has a LONG driveway, most of it at an 18% to 20% grade, and I had to slip the clutch through turns with the R1200GS, but the R1150GS Adventure pulls through just fine.

However, the attraction of lowering the overall ratios with an R850R final drive, as you suggest, is compelling. Will know better once I've spent some time off-pavement.

The only "mod" that I'm considering to date it loosing the tub's brake system. I've found the easiest way to push-back when setting out is to sit on the bike and use my right leg for "reverse", but with dual brake pedals and rigging in the way, I can't really find space to get "foot-down" through all the hardware. And, having learned to ride without a brake on the tub, I find it overly powerful, and I still wind up actuating it unintentionally.

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Old 04-04-2008, 08:48 AM   #22
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Does it have the TILT? If it does, can we see pics of the structure?

I put 10,000 miles on my 1150/ural rig last season, mostly trouble free.

LOOKS GREAT!
No tilt. I "see" the attraction. Just couldn't be convinced that it was stone-cold reliable (even though I understand it can be manually cranked should the drive motor fail).

Would like to hear about "mostly trouble free" .

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Old 04-04-2008, 10:14 AM   #23
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This is a fascinating thread. I always learn sooo much. I'm charging off to Google now to find out what 'TILT' is...
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:16 AM   #24
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Ha ha!!

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Now to figure out what that means...
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Old 04-04-2008, 02:55 PM   #25
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No tilt. I "see" the attraction. Just couldn't be convinced that it was stone-cold reliable (even though I understand it can be manually cranked should the drive motor fail).

Would like to hear about "mostly trouble free" .

Best,

Jay added TILT on my V Strom/Ural rig, i also have it my Hannigan. Have not had issues with either.

FWIW, for me, it is a benefit mostly on long "slab" rides, where there may be many miles of road with a constant crown. Consequently, I use it much more on the Wing than the Strom.

Mike, could I take the Strom on one of the GlobeRider tours?
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Old 04-04-2008, 03:15 PM   #26
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No tilt. I "see" the attraction. Just couldn't be convinced that it was stone-cold reliable (even though I understand it can be manually cranked should the drive motor fail).

Would like to hear about "mostly trouble free" .

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Mostly.

No bike problems, aside from some fuel disconnect issues. The mounting structure for the TILT mechanism failed. You may be wise to be wary of it.

I have the ability to repair it, so it's not so bad, but I'm redesigning the support for the pivot pin.

That, and a couple of wheel bearings that went south. Still need to sort that out, the shaft on my GS wheel hub conversion seems to be .003-.004" small, so my inner bearing race likes to spin on the shaft, making it worse.

That's it.

The stock shocks on the GSA are too soft. I rode it that way all last year, including a trip to Newfoundland. I've got a set of 3 wilbers I'm mounting up this season.

I really enjoy my rig, and 80+ mph is no problem. Nice + smooth.

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Old 04-04-2008, 03:32 PM   #27
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That is just beautiful
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Old 04-04-2008, 05:03 PM   #28
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Howdy Mike,

I just now saw this thread, I really like this rig, the first one was nice this one is just way COOL. It will be much better in the rought stuff then the first rig.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:01 PM   #29
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Nice work!

We now have a forum just for Hacks like you!! Off to Hacks it goes.
Sorry, was so excited to post, didn't even see the new Forum! Very cool, and thanks for the "move".

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Old 04-04-2008, 09:08 PM   #30
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Any chance of seeing some pics of the mounting brackets and frame bracing on your bikes?

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