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Old 01-27-2009, 06:54 AM   #2266
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Wow, I have a few pages of reading to do!

I just took delivery of an 08 WR250R about 14 hours ago. I can't ride due to snow/ice covered roads and too much snow for off road, so I'll just have to do some reading!

I'm gonna be posting my 06 KLX250S as well as the new trail wing tires from the WR in the flea market if anyone is interested.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:03 AM   #2267
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Besides, you can hear the birds better while you lay on the ground.

HA HA HA HA!

Yeah, for the ounce it'd save to ditch it, I'm happy to keep it in place. There's nothing worse than crashing an old bike hard, and just wishing you could lie there for a moment and make sure all your fingers and toes still work, and realizing you have to jump up right away to shut off your screaming engine.

Like SkidMarx said, now you can just lie there, listen to the birds, and contemplate your place in life...
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:08 AM   #2268
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It's a little more important on a FI bike for two reasons.
1. If there is enough fuel in the tank, a FI bike will just keep going if its on its side. Carb bikes tend to stall after they use the fuel in the bowl or they flood because the bowl fills up. The FI will run upside down (untill the engine blows from no oil) as long as there is fuel at the pump pickup.
2. Fuel pumps burn out if they pump for too long with no fuel.

I'd leave it on. I'd rather not have my bike running while it's taking a nap. The oil isn't where it's supposed to be.
Besides, you can hear the birds better while you lay on the ground.
I like the kill sensor. When the bike lays down the chain and tire not are not spinning and I do lay it down.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:22 AM   #2269
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You can either go with a speedo healer (some people don't like it because it's quite finicky) or go with a good ol' GPS.
Or use the distance-compensation tripmeter in "measurement mode."

Manual pages 3-6 and 3-7.

"....calibrating the meter may also be necessary when using tire, wheel, sprocket sizes other than specified."
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:48 AM   #2270
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1/ Fair enough re the kill sensor, mine has a tempry reprieve!

2/ Speedo Healer . . . que? What & where?

3/ Re "the distance-compensation tripmeter in "measurement mode." I assumed this was only a 'distance' correction for when the bikes counter varies from the vehicle which set out the course (not uncommon), but the stopwatch function has to be in use as well .. . has anyone used this to adjust the displayed 'speed' function? Hmmnn, mebbe I'll follow the instructions to " . . . consult your local Yamaha dealer", he gonna love that!

4/ GPS ~ yuk! Too new-fangled for this old timer .. .

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Old 01-27-2009, 12:16 PM   #2271
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1/ Fair enough re the kill sensor, mine has a tempry reprieve!

2/ Speedo Healer . . . que? What & where?

3/ Re "the distance-compensation tripmeter in "measurement mode." I assumed this was only a 'distance' correction for when the bikes counter varies from the vehicle which set out the course (not uncommon), but the stopwatch function has to be in use as well .. . has anyone used this to adjust the displayed 'speed' function? Hmmnn, mebbe I'll follow the instructions to " . . . consult your local Yamaha dealer", he gonna love that!

4/ GPS ~ yuk! Too new-fangled for this old timer .. .

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http://www.healtech-electronics.com/

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=658793
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:48 PM   #2272
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Thanks YamWOW, very helpfull info.

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Old 01-27-2009, 01:51 PM   #2273
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One thing to keep in mind with the Seedo Healer...

While it does 'heal" your speedometer readings once
you get it properly adjusted it will throw your odometer
readings off. So it's a trade off on which you prefer.

Personally I want an accurate odometer reading. I'll
use my GPS for MPH.
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:55 PM   #2274
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One thing to keep in mind with the Seedo Healer...

While it does 'heal" your speedometer readings once
you get it properly adjusted it will throw your odometer
readings off. So it's a trade off on which you prefer.
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If it recalibrates the speedo surely the odo will get the same message?

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Old 01-27-2009, 02:16 PM   #2275
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If it recalibrates the speedo surely the odo will get the same message?

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Big, big thread about the Speedo Healer here on TT.

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/sho...=speedo+healer

The last page deals with this question - apparently you
can have one or the other but not both. It all boils down
to the way Yamaha designed it.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:35 PM   #2276
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If it recalibrates the speedo surely the odo will get the same message?

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I have a healer in the garage for my other bike and it tells you online the same thing that Scottmac said.

http://www.healtech-electronics.com/

go to speedo healer/ f.a.q. and read number five.

"....on most bikes if the speedo is calibrated to be 100% accurate, the odo will register slightly less miles....." -from their site.


It seems the error is built into speedos at factory (on purpose) while they come programmed with an accurate ODO.
So when you correct the speedo, it throws the ODO off by that same %.

This is why my speedo healer is still in it's bag on the shelf until I do a gearing change to the zx10r. I was going to correct the speedo for stock gearing until I read the instructions and decided to leave my ODO accurate.

I use a gps but tend to just deduct 10% in my head from the stock speedo at higher speeds, close enough.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:39 PM   #2277
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Thanks, been & read it now, & it looks to be quite true about the speedo & odo handling the same signal differently. Buga! I need the mileage to be the accurate one .. . .
It looks like Yams re-cal 'feature' is no more than an electronic equivalent of the old adjustable/resetable trip meter, back when we had the simplicity of a cable from the front hub turning a mechanical odo-drum, & independant of rear wheel size or gearing! 'Progress' sure can be a two-edged sword huh!
So, no speedo healer for me, & no damned GPS either .. . but there IS a simple fix ~ all I need is to have another vehicle pace me for a true 50kph & 100kph, then remember what those would 'indicate' at on the bike &/or mebbe a Dymo label reminder for them stuck on the face of the bikes (so called) speedometer! Easy ;-))

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Old 01-27-2009, 02:40 PM   #2278
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3/ Re "the distance-compensation tripmeter in "measurement mode." I assumed this was only a 'distance' correction for when the bikes counter varies from the vehicle which set out the course (not uncommon), but the stopwatch function has to be in use as well .. . has anyone used this to adjust the displayed 'speed' function? Hmmnn, mebbe I'll follow the instructions to " . . . consult your local Yamaha dealer", he gonna love that!
I thought that at first but when I read it again I got the impression that it would correct the speed also- not sure though.

Good luck, "consulting your local Yamaha dealer," I thought that was funny too. It may as well say consult the message boards....
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:46 PM   #2279
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Thanks to all ~ a bit of time at the keyboard has saved me a bunch of time & dosh, expanded my 'mental envelope' somewhat, & even produced a few chuckles into the bargain!

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Thanks, been & read it now, & it looks to be quite true about the speedo & odo handling the same signal differently. Buga! I need the mileage to be the accurate one .. . .
It looks like Yams re-cal 'feature' is no more than an electronic equivalent of the old adjustable/resetable trip meter, back when we had the simplicity of a cable from the front hub turning a mechanical odo-drum, & independant of rear wheel size or gearing! 'Progress' sure can be a two-edged sword huh!
So, no speedo healer for me, & no damned GPS either .. . but there IS a simple fix ~ all I need is to have another vehicle pace me for a true 50kph & 100kph, then remember what those would 'indicate' at on the bike &/or mebbe a Dymo label reminder for them stuck on the face of the bikes (so called) speedometer! Easy ;-))

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I guess the EFI needs to know how fast the crank is spinning so they just use that to feed the speedometer too.

As for the built in low speed reading, that seems to be traditional and even happened on the old cable drives on many bikes.
And you couldn't really correct those for tire size or rim size changes unless there was a gear available for the speedo drive.

I think it is supposed to keep you a little "safer" when reaching for those high speeds. 10% optimistic at 100mph saves you 10 mph in a ticket as well.

Gixxer guy claiming 150 was really closer to 135... that type of thing.
That seemed to be the consensus when I worked at a multi line dealer back in cable drive days.
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