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Old 08-06-2011, 11:42 AM   #23701
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While looking through the service manual it seems to me 15-20 clicks is beyond the limit and in the case of 3 and 6 would actually stiffen the suspension.
From the owner's manual:

Front rebound damping

Min (soft): 24 clicks in direction (b)
Standard: 10 clicks in direction (b)
Max (hard): 1 click in direction (b)


I think you misread it. Seems to be within limits.
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Old 08-06-2011, 11:53 AM   #23702
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From the owner's manual:

Front rebound damping

Min (soft): 24 clicks in direction (b)
Standard: 10 clicks in direction (b)
Max (hard): 1 click in direction (b)


I think you misread it. Seems to be within limits.

I think we just found another error in the service manual like the chain adjustment.

Adjusting The Front Fork Legs
Rebound damping
Max (Hard): 1 click(s) out*
Standard: 10 click(s) out*
Min (soft): 12 click(s) out*
*With the adjusting screw fully turned in

Shame I don't have an owner's manual.

But then wouldn't the 3 and 6 clicks for the rear be stiffening it up rather than softening?
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:56 PM   #23703
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I'm taking my forks and shocks up to Smart Performance today to have a refresh done (fork seals, bushings, new oil, etc, etc) They had the full Go Race treatment about a year and a half ago.

I went to this place for two reasons: most everything I've read has been very positive, and I really really wanna try the fluid. I'm not having him mess with the valving and such the Go Race did as I've been very happy with it.

Here's the details on the fluid from Smart Performance web page. In two weeks the suspension in gonna get absolutely abused at the BITD Vegas to Reno race, so I will be sure to post my impressions.

DESCRIPTION
SMART Performance 215.VM2.K5 is a scientifically engineered suspension liquid that completely replaces conventional suspension fluid. The 215.VM2.K5 fluid is a proprietary mix of unique and special compounds that uniquely reacts to various types of suspension movements so that vibrations and high rate velocities are cancelled out, eliminated or significantly decreased. The 215.VM2.K5 creates a very connected but smoother, plusher and more affirmative ride.
BENEFITS
lSignificantly reduces or eliminates arm pump, blisters and rider fatigue.
lControls blow-through and over-stroking providing more control and stability.
lIncreases forward speed and decreases lap times.
lMakes the bike feel ultra smooth and plush.
lIncreases rider confidence.
lSignificantly lowers static friction between seals and bushings.
lRadically extends the life of fork and shock bushings. On many designs, bushings will no longer wear.
lWill not, “shake-off” of internal components regardless of suspension velocity.
lProvides more control at faster speeds.
lNearly eliminates the build-up of contamination from the internal rubbing of the fork spring.
lPerformance will not degrade or shift over time regardless of abuse or heat. Contains no polymers or fillers.
lOil lose on shock shaft is dramatically reduced over conventional shock fluid, maximizing service intervals.
lProvides significantly improved bottoming performance reducing rider fatigue and decreases likeliness of injury from casing or flat landing.
lOlder riders report a more youthful vigor to riding.
lService life is 200 to 280 hours.
APPLICATION
SMART Performance 215.VM2.K5 comes in three different formulas – SPI-3, SPI-4 and SPI-5. For most applications, SPI-3 is to be installed in the upper chamber of the fork and the shock. SPI-5 is only to be used in the lower chamber of the fork. SPI-4 is used as alternative damping fluid within the fork and/or shock for freestyle or extreme high speed applications. SPI-4 can also be used as alternate lower chamber fluid in extreme cold weather applications
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:34 PM   #23704
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The service life seems rather short if the bike is used to commute or travel on.
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:39 PM   #23705
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Rear shock results !!!

Since there is a lot of suspension talk going on, this will be very appropriate.

Now, as of this morning, I got the ride it and test it out of my normal technical terrain. I was also riding with my normal riding buddies.

The rebuilt shock is light years better than the stock shock ever was. The stock spring was still fine for my weight, but the work that was done to the shock included revalving/new piston, new seals, shims, and new oil and nitrogen charge.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND GETTING THIS WORK DONE, TO ANYONE WHO RIDES ANY KIND OF TECHNICAL TERRAIN. If you just ride regular dirt roads and what not, then ts probably not needed.

Now I am not gonna discuss exact price or push one vendor over another..since there are a couple guys out there doing it for the WRR shock. BUT, I will say that I know the rough prices of the work out there, and am happy with what I paid.

So, if you are looking at getting your shock redone, I highly recommend Drew Smith at WER( Works Enduro Rider).

http://www.werproducts.net/

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Old 08-06-2011, 02:49 PM   #23706
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Older riders report a more youthful vigor to riding.
Suspension viagra I'll have some of that!
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Old 08-06-2011, 07:33 PM   #23707
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Clear or tinted ???

Let's see what it looks like on your WR .... post some pictures !

Thanks ..

Here's mine.


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Old 08-07-2011, 01:31 AM   #23708
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... if I were doing it again I would go 46 rather than 48 ... as long as I wear ear plugs--which I hate ...
The best earplugs that I've found are the Sonic Defenders. I've done 800 mile days with the EP4s, and nothing else has come close to their comfort for me.

As for gearing, I would swap the counter sprocket on my F6fity Dakar for hwy/off road. Had the swap down to about 10 minutes on the trail, and the chain sized to accommodate. Anyways, maybe a 14 tooth would work for your highway miles?

Oh, and IIRC: the D606 front on my F6fity was so horrible off pavement that I reversed it after my first (very short) ride. After that, it ran great until worn all the way down. Not that anybody would ever run a tire 'backwards', but the bias plys didn't care.

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Old 08-07-2011, 03:56 AM   #23709
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Since there is a lot of suspension talk going on, this will be very appropriate.

Now, as of this morning, I got the ride it and test it out of my normal technical terrain. I was also riding with my normal riding buddies.

The rebuilt shock is light years better than the stock shock ever was. The stock spring was still fine for my weight, but the work that was done to the shock included revalving/new piston, new seals, shims, and new oil and nitrogen charge.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND GETTING THIS WORK DONE, TO ANYONE WHO RIDES ANY KIND OF TECHNICAL TERRAIN. If you just ride regular dirt roads and what not, then ts probably not needed.

Now I am not gonna discuss exact price or push one vendor over another..since there are a couple guys out there doing it for the WRR shock. BUT, I will say that I know the rough prices of the work out there, and am happy with what I paid.

So, if you are looking at getting your shock redone, I highly recommend Drew Smith at WER( Works Enduro Rider).

http://www.werproducts.net/

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Great Meadows, NJ 07838
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nice, thanks for the info! Presumably, you had the "shock revalve/rebuild" done for $165? sounds like a bargain!
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Old 08-07-2011, 04:19 AM   #23710
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nice, thanks for the info! Presumably, you had the "shock revalve/rebuild" done for $165? sounds like a bargain!
Everythng combined was a little more than that, but not too much. I basically called Drew after hearing about his work, and that he had worked on some of these shocks before. I told him about the riding we do and what the shock was doing. Then I just asked him to do what ever he needed to do to make the shock work right. Mission accomplished.
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:45 AM   #23711
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Cry Fuel pump died

Finally got my Seat Concepts low foam installed this week, decided to take Garrus ('08 WRX) out to go the gun show yesterday. Left it sitting in 111F for ~4 hours, came out & turned it on, no fuel pump whir. Was confused at first since I had earplugs and helmet on, and hadn't noticed the lack of whir & it was turning over fine. Moved to shade, for over an hour, still no go. Had to wait for r-u-n-n-o-f-t to finish working at the show so we could go home and get the truck to load the bike up.

Hoping the Yamaha dealer will do right by me if I bring in some print outs of all the threads on the problem. Previous home for the bike was in CO, but the person I bought it from road it a lot out in Moab, so I was hoping this meant the fuel pump was solid.

No warning signs prior--no weird noises. I'd ridden it to work previously in ~100F, but it sat in shade all day there.

Not sure I'm going to keep the Seat Concepts seat as it's not as low as my carved up stock seat, so I'm back to tippy toeing, which I don't really like much. (The ordeal of getting the seat situation sorted is another story.) I'd been hoping for an early morning loop ride yesterday, but lost the fight with my Garmin Oregon 300 , so settled for riding to the show.

Fortunately, I found a retention holster for my new pistol at the gun show, as well as factory mags at a good price, so the day didn't turn out all bad.

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Old 08-07-2011, 10:06 AM   #23712
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Testing Fuel Range of Safari Tank

I'll be on the CDR in 5 weeks, so I needed to dial in my fuel range. I installed the tank a couple weekends ago and discovered my fuel light came on after about 150 miles. I failed to adjust the sensor and I don't want to take it apart again so I went out yesterday to measure as best I could without running out.

I loaded the bike up with all my camp kit, tools, spares and clothing. It all fit in my Wolfman panniers, duffel and tank bag. Even my Kermit chair!

The only thing I didn't pack was my laptop. I wasn't going to take it, but I may need my mapping software on the CDR.

I topped off my Safari in Somerville and headed out on a big loop. 2/3 was superslab and the rest country roads. I cruised around 65mph GPS speed on the slab and 40-50 for the rest. My fuel light came on at 147 miles. Because I knew there was still plenty of gas, I rode another 35 miles to a station and looked in the tank. My fuel pick-up sump was full, so I knew the auxilary vacuum pump is picking fuel from the wings and depositing it properly. I just don't know if the pump will get all the fuel.

The tank is supposed to be 3.7 gallons. I heard more like 3.5 gals and that the aux pump leaves some fuel in the wings. Maybe 3.3 gals available... I topped off again and she took 2.7 gallons. That leaves me with at least a half gallon after 180 miles under those conditions, so my range is comfortably 210 miles.

I prolly get less range in the Rockies due to the altitude. I will say the extra load and windage of the gear affected the power available. The long hills on the slab consumed a lot more throttle to maintain 65mph and even required a downshift once (stock sprockets). I would guess my travel kit weighs about 35lbs or so, and I weight about 210lbs in my gear. I can also say my new AK Leather Butt Pad worked really well. I can't believe I never had one before!

I am working on learning how to use tracks on my Garmin 60CSX. I downloaded Cannonshot's plug and ride CDR route. It took awhile, but I finally figured the basics out. Pretty cool stuff... Fiddly, but cool.

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Old 08-07-2011, 10:09 AM   #23713
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Finally got my Seat Concepts low foam installed this week, decided to take Garrus ('08 WRX) out to go the gun show yesterday. Left it sitting in 111F for ~4 hours, came out & turned it on, no fuel pump whir. Was confused at first since I had earplugs and helmet on, and hadn't noticed the lack of whir & it was turning over fine. Moved to shade, for over an hour, still no go. Had to wait for r-u-n-n-o-f-t to finish working at the show so we could go home and get the truck to load the bike up.

Hoping the Yamaha dealer will do right by me if I bring in some print outs of all the threads on the problem. Previous home for the bike was in CO, but the person I bought it from road it a lot out in Moab, so I was hoping this meant the fuel pump was solid.

No warning signs prior--no weird noises. I'd ridden it to work previously in ~100F, but it sat in shade all day there.

Not sure I'm going to keep the Seat Concepts seat as it's not as low as my carved up stock seat, so I'm back to tippy toeing, which I don't really like much. (The ordeal of getting the seat situation sorted is another story.) I'd been hoping for an early morning loop ride yesterday, but lost the fight with my Garmin Oregon 300 , so settled for riding to the show.

Fortunately, I found a retention holster for my new pistol at the gun show, as well as factory mags at a good price, so the day didn't turn out all bad.

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How many miles on your bike? Serial #? My '08 hit 10k miles so I thought I was in the clear. Now I'm worried again...
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Old 08-07-2011, 11:30 AM   #23714
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How many miles on your bike? Serial #? My '08 hit 10k miles so I thought I was in the clear. Now I'm worried again...
I assume the 2/08 is the build date. Last 6 of my VIN are 000417. It has 11751 mi. on the ODO. I'm not sure how accurate that is, since it's a WR250X w/R wheels. The PO put a speedo healer on it, but he couldn't remember if he set it for speed or ODO, and I haven't checked.

Has anyone been able to establish a correlation b/w build dates or VIN and failure?

I was concerned about the FP when I bought it, but given the price and the upgraded wheels, I figured I could take the hit on the FP if it failed. I guess I should be glad I didn't win that fight with the GPS yesterday morning, I was 10min from home vs. an hour or more for the loop I was going to do.

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Old 08-07-2011, 11:56 AM   #23715
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The tank is supposed to be 3.7 gallons. I heard more like 3.5 gals and that the aux pump leaves some fuel in the wings. Maybe 3.3 gals available... I topped off again and she took 2.7 gallons. That leaves me with at least a half gallon after 180 miles under those conditions, so my range is comfortably 210 miles.

I prolly get less range in the Rockies due to the altitude. I will say the extra load and windage of the gear affected the power available. The long hills on the slab consumed a lot more throttle to maintain 65mph and even required a downshift once (stock sprockets). I would guess my travel kit weighs about 35lbs or so, and I weight about 210lbs in my gear. I can also say my new AK Leather Butt Pad worked really well. I can't believe I never had one before!
Really? Only 3.5? I siphoned fuel from my stock tank when I just installed the 3.1 IMS tank I bought used. I rode it to fill up and was able to put 3.07 in so I'm guessing I have 3.2 or so from dry if not more. Kind of glad I saved the money now.

Just remember that you're fuel injected so at altitude the air is "thinner" and the bike will adjust and use less fuel. At the same time you will most likely be revving it a bit more or downshifting a lot since in turn it's making less power. I can't imagine the mileage would become much worse than normal though. I'd shoot a PM to BigDog or visit the ride report and see what he noticed regarding mileage at altitude from his recent AK trip. Since I believe they started west of the Rockies I'm not sure what type of altitudes they hit even through I read the entire report. I'm not sure they even checked or cared though with the attitude of the trip. One thing to note is he was running a 14/50 sprocket setup so between 13/46 and 13/47.

On the note of 13/47, I was riding the other day and remembered that I am still on the stock rear tire. Not wonder 13/47 seems so snappy to me. I have a lot of slab riding coming up in a few weeks and have no desire to bother changing tires out though. I may pick up a 14 front for that commuting duty but I'll have to wait till I can get a good idea of my mileage as is. As long as it's not too bad I won't even bother.

So this situation leads me to thinking I may want to do some different tire setups for when I expect to use this specific bike for commuting vs. more trail duty. 606 for sure when trail duty is the main use but are there other options about the same height for more road use but with some offroad ability? I liked the look of the T63 Michelin but I believe it is stock sized. I'd love to do an X setup but not at this point. I've thought of selling my cruiser though and picking up an X as the WR is just such a joy to ride.
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