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Old 11-26-2014, 04:39 AM   #1
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CX 650 Custom/ Stupid is as stupid dose ... till it's black and blue

So...I thought i would try to do a build thread for my new (Project) to try to give some back to all the posts and threads that have inspired me.
So you are welcome to follow along ,laugh ,joke ,scratch your head ,bitch, moan ,whatever
This is what I like to do and how I like to do it . I don't have a bunch of fancy tools or big shop.. I have been building and riding bikes since my first bike (car) at 15 1/2 (SR500) bought with all my saved pennies.
Which was soon tore apart for high compression piston, cam and braced up spingarn and fork brace. I have built other bikes though the years which recently was a full resto for my wifes 78 honda 400 four and my 78 Guzzi cafe.

This next one will be a LITTLE different...
My dad kept telling me about this bike his bank teller friend had, So one day its like lets go take a LOOK
Well sure a s shit I brought it home with no real reason why except for all the hype with the cx 500 and it was just like a guzzi A flying twin
Well here is the good after sitting for 12 years on the way home..


Is she hot or what???


After changing the oil and Some carb work I strapped a battery to the side and put some gas in a can and it started once I found the choke
Ran like crap down low but good up high.

Now what to do with this thing?? First off the 15 inch rear wheel has to go..
The bad..This was the one and only year (83) custom that no other year or model rear wheel will fit the swingarm or offset of this shaft.That I found and all the cx people I webbed
This sounds just like my luck .

Hmmm,Only one thing to do.



That looks much better!
More on that latter....
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Old 11-26-2014, 05:23 AM   #2
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Though they were never released in this country, a buddy of mine imported one from the US years ago. I rode it a few times and except for the small range on the tank I enjoyed the bike itself.
He stopped riding it one day and just let it rot outside in the salt air here. I was looking for a project and he offered it but it was too far gone.
T'were a shame.
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Old 11-26-2014, 06:06 AM   #3
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That looks much better!
More on that latter....






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Old 11-26-2014, 05:54 PM   #4
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Though they were never released in this country, a buddy of mine imported one from the US years ago. I rode it a few times and except for the small range on the tank I enjoyed the bike itself.
He stopped riding it one day and just let it rot outside in the salt air here. I was looking for a project and he offered it but it was too far gone.
T'were a shame.
Yes,when I first saw the bike I was kinda bummed it was not a 500, But after doing some research I felt much better about the 650...

65 HP Not to shabby, bigger rod bolts and main bearings . And with some head shaving and a ground 500 cam shaft , porting ,we could get maybe 70?
And I really like the black motor after the guzzi.
But I'm getting ahead of myself ..
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Old 11-26-2014, 06:40 PM   #5
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:18 PM   #6
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So back to the wheel thing...What to do?? well after searching and searching I find this cx500 on youtube with a single sided swingarm
Maybe some of you have seen this bike. A bloke in the UK built?
And after having a 88 Hawk GT 650 (rode the hell out that thing) I said that is Freakin sexy ..What is that thing??
Searching,Searching

I find the thing ,Which is a Honda NTV 650
Only made in Europe,which is basically a Honda Hawk but with a shaft drive on the left side??

Searching, Searching, Hello E-bay UK cycle wreckers 208$ shipped to my door
Here it is right after I got it. Still got some UK road grime on it



the pivot pins go right in the bearings,But the threads are too far out to catch the frame ...



So I go to my buddy Wayne who owns a moto salvage and get the other long side pin off a GL 500 and today I take them to my machine shop and show him what needs to be done so both pins will be the right size....

For some reason I love all this little ground work stuff ,gotta go here do this, gotta go there and get that..Stupid dose...

A few more shots after a little cleaning

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More to come....happy turkey day to all...:
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Old 11-28-2014, 07:57 PM   #7
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OK,back to it!

The rear wheel turned out to be one more PITA Although it looks like a Hawk gt wheel would work, more searching come to find out the offset is different and all though there are lots of them in the UK for some reason not every one is willing to send one to the US??

then i find this guy mike with a trailer full of NTV parts in UK E-bay
120$ shipped to the door. thats about what a hawk wheel goes for here...

Oh ya, Mike says (Q) Welcome to come and see me in Scotland if you visiting! As i dream one day to visit America, but never enought time or money!
Love you big rusty trucks as i see in movies the ones that fades with sun and have 8 litre engines running on gas. Just love all that!

Regards, Michael
To cool..

As you can see the disc is on the inside and of course it is pertty bad.
new one can be had UK E-Bay 100$





So lets move on while we wait for the swing arm bolts...
I have spent a lot of e-bay $ trying to get the mock up parts ahead of time and one of my scores was a 02 r1 full fork set for 162$ plus the front wheel for 75$ w/the rotors .

The seller said the guy he got them from put cartridges in them + new seals but he never used them on his race bike...
I don't think I will take them apart to find out right now...I think they are Beautiful!


Now we start a new chapter...Oh did I mention that I will have nothing to with this EASY button thing?
It starts like this ,we buy the All balls bearing kit http://www.allballsracing.com/index.php/forkconversion
for the cx frame to fit the R1 forks.

And getting the bottom race off the R1 stem was a bit of a challenge.I had some pullers but nothing with jaws that long .so I asked my friend Jerry Rigger to get it off for me....He started with a sharp paint scraper and worked up from there.





And then some casting clean up ,
stage !

Stage 2

And for stage 3 we will put them in the glass beader ...........

Now what they do not tell you is that the bearings will fit the frame and forks that dose not mean the steam will fit...

Hummm,Now I have swapped out steams before but not with these nice forks*&^%$## And we need to pull in the rake any way, maybe a little onger wheel base?

Awe Screw It ! Lets build a new frame
That sounds Really Stupid!



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Old 11-29-2014, 10:51 AM   #8
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Take a Dremel with a cutting disc, cut most of the way through the bearing race without going into the stem. Now hit the cut you made with a cold chisel and the race will crack right open and fall off.
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Old 11-29-2014, 01:50 PM   #9
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Thanks,

Why didn't Jerry think of that?
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Old 11-29-2014, 04:29 PM   #10
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This is going to be a nice build to watch. Always liked the CX motors.
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Old 11-29-2014, 05:54 PM   #11
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Went to get some DOM tubing today. He had the neck but won't have the main stay till wednesday.....
Need to turn the neck down anyway. Believe it or not i think we have a drill bit at work that will open that up a bit.

When I said I don't have a big shop or a bunch of fancy tool thats because work dose

Witch I went by and glass beaded the trees ..




Now I will hit them with some soft scotch brite and spray them with this Everbright stuff. Great stuff!

https://www.everbritecoatings.com/ca...-only-c-6.html

You will also notice that I sand blasted the frame. Something I like to do so I can really see what I Am working with and for welding.

As you can see one small slip trying to move the frame and the blaster got past my sleeve and opened up my glove



Not the first time this has happened .. A small sacrifice to the bike Gods

It has brought me luck in the past...
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Old 11-29-2014, 06:06 PM   #12
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Yes,when I first saw the bike I was kinda bummed it was not a 500, But after doing some research I felt much better about the 650...

65 HP Not to shabby, bigger rod bolts and main bearings . And with some head shaving and a ground 500 cam shaft , porting ,we could get maybe 70?
And I really like the black motor after the guzzi.
But I'm getting ahead of myself ..

Didn't they do a 650 turbo one or two years in there?


I like the frame chopping.
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Old 11-29-2014, 06:45 PM   #13
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Didn't they do a 650 turbo one or two years in there?


I like the frame chopping.
Hey Larryboy, you frame chopper you
Yes,650 turbo .. but frame and rear wheels all different ....Hmmmm Turbo


Did you build a Frame jig?
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Old 11-29-2014, 06:54 PM   #14
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Hmmmm Turbo


Did you build a Frame jig?

See what I'm saying? You have the beefed up engine that was for the turbo and a stripped chopped bike, might be a good time to throw a turbo on there.


Frame jig will happen in the next year, I think it's time for a scratch built frame. I'm getting tired of cutting up frames to make them fit what I want.

I've been thinking of doing one more trip on the big BMW, sell it, then add some tools to the garage with the $$. I could so much more with a mini lathe/mill and a frame jig, plus a full set of bending dies would be nice.
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Old 11-29-2014, 07:15 PM   #15
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You do realize that's a Russel Day-Long seat, right? It's probably worth as much (to the right person) as the whole rest of the bike.
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