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Old 10-12-2009, 05:57 AM   #271
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seat height on my 650r/versys build will be about 34" unless i use a custom seat of some kind.

getting started. considering some options. more info and a ride report from last spring here

http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...ead.php?t=5480


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Old 10-15-2009, 08:27 AM   #272
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given no brakes, I guess you want the ground clearance just right for dragging your boots
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:16 PM   #273
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I've posted these in the Old School forum before, but here are some photos of my dirt-converted XS650:








I apologize for that last one, but it's one of the only photos I have of the bike in the dirt, where it's spent the majority of its time. That photo is several years old; I was screwing around showing the ATV guys that the XS could pull around as big of logs as they could. No worries, I usually wear the complement of proper gear.





The bike has obviously been done on the cheap, and I've sure gotten my money's worth out of it! Being a the cruiser-ish "Special" model originally, it came with 16/19 cast wheels. Switching the entire swingarm to one from a different year of the same bike got me the 18" rear wheel, and the drum brake turned out to be an upgrade from the Special's poor excuse for a disc.

For a while, I ran it with that 18" rear (shown) and the stock forks and 19" cast front wheel. I had found a Kenda Trackmaster rear tire that fit that front rim, so I ran that for a while. The "rear knob on the front" thing works better than no knob at all, but it wasn't very ideal. Steering was much heavier with the knob than not.


The fork change was the best thing I ever did to this bike, for what I'm doing with it at least. I got the entire front end off an '88 CR250 from a salvage yard, triple clamps, wheel, handlebars, everything. I found a the top steering head bearing off some Suzuki model that would fit in both locations on the XS650 steering head, but the Honda's shaft was 1mm too big. I had a competent machine shop turn the shaft down 1mm to fit, and slipped it all together. Turning down that shaft took the threads for the nut down too; I was very nervous about that at first, but haven't had a problem after many off-road-only miles.


The CR fork and proper 21" front wheel took this bike from being a mere novelty off-road to being legitimately usable. Also helpful was the weight saved; including removal of other unnecessary parts on the bike, it weighed 420 lbs with a full tank of fuel, or 50 lbs less than a period magazine test claimed for the bike. And I haven't even done anything about the battery, battery box, and [disabled] electric starter yet.








So what have I learned from this? Proper off-road-type forks and off-road standard tires/wheel sizes are worth the effort for a dirt conversion like this. Also, I should've found a rear rim that could handle more tire width. I think I've got a 3.50x18 on there, and the 120/100-18 (140/80-18) rears we've been running on our open class 2-strokes would really help a converted streetbike, for the weight first and foremost, but also for the power of course.

Steering lock is a problem. Getting turned around in the woods, even on an ATV trail is always a pain in the ass, as is moving the bike around in the garage. The bike had a pristine fuel tank on it, which is safely on a shelf in favor of the deer-damaged one shown in the photos that I got from a buddy. This tank doesn't fit quite right, stealing even more of the steering lock.

The '70s aftermarket crash bars are kind of ungainly, but again, some kind of protection like that should be a priority on a converted street bike like this. These bikes hit HARD when you go down, compared to a much lighter "real" dirtbike.

Re-gearing was also crucial to off-road usability. Stock gearing was not only difficult to deal with difficult terrain, but lugging and constant clutch feathering would heat up the bike too much. Stock rear sprocket on this bike was a 34T, and I got a 42T made at Sprocket Specialists. It feels a bit too low actually (the XS650 has a very low first gear anyway), and I think a 40T would work better.

Just for a sense of perspective to my comments, my 650 is 100% off-road-only--I don't even have a title or license plate for it.





So what else can I say? This bike sure has been a blast! My favorite terrain for it is wide, sandy trails. The bike is heavy enough that it just plows through the sand, but with it's locomotive-like grunt (compared to "real" dirtbikes), you just grab another gear and dig and power through. Very satisfying!

In fact, it's that locomotive-like grunt combined with surprising tractability that make this bike so much fun everywhere it goes off-road. You just put it in 3rd and torque-surf along ATV trails all day. Let 'er chug down to an idle in tighter corners, then crack the throttles and listen to that wonderful parallel twin "blat" as it comes on the boil and picks up revs.

Most folks think this kind of thing is so wrong, but as shown, this bike works amazingly well off-road. It'll never be a "real" dirtbike, especially when it comes to tight or technical riding, but for wider trails, open spaces and smoother terrain, it'll surprise guys on dirtbikes and ATVs and flat run away from most of them if given the space. That YZ490 in the first photo will take it off the line, but not many other dirtbikes will, and the XS will catch and pass by the 490 before it tops out, and the XS still has another gear to go!

Embarrassingly, when I ran this bike against a stripped-down Road Star my dad was rebuilding on a gravel road, the Road Star flat smoked the XS right from the line. Still, I can't imagine a dirt-converted Road Star on the trails, but I'd sure like to see one! Talk about you're locomotive-like off-road torque!
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:15 PM   #274
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My project:
2000 Honda Superhawk and a WR250 front end. This one is going to be a bit different than yours though, as I am making a Motard rather than a dirt bike.
Either way, it's gonna be exciting.
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:16 AM   #275
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Long distance dual sport/adventure bike..... how bout this?



Hepco-Becker makes crash bars

http://www.hepco-becker.de/anbauanle...01944.0001.pdf

Raise that front fender and throw on a set of these Shinko 705's 130/80-17 in front. Shinko lists it as a front or rear.



Alaska? Goose Bay? Trans-Taiga?




Isn't the NT700 basically a strictly street Trans Alp or visa versa?
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Old 11-02-2009, 10:26 AM   #276
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Isn't the NT700 basically a strictly street Trans Alp or visa versa?
Did you read the whole thread or did you start at post # 268?



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Old 11-17-2009, 06:52 PM   #277
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I know we already have a list like this but, in an effort to give something back to the forum I have found this and decided to share it with you guys, I hope that it helps someone.
Fork Diameter/Make/Model/(Year)
41 Honda CR-250R (81)
41 Honda XR-250L (91-96)
41 Honda XR-250R (86-89)
41 Honda XR-250R (90-04)
41 Honda XR-350R (83)
41 Honda XR-350R (84)
41 Honda XR-350R (85)
41 Honda CB-400F (89-90)
41 Honda CR-450R (81)
41 Honda CBR-600F2 (91-94)
41 Honda CBR-600SE (98)
41 Honda XL-600V "Transalp" (89-90)
41 Honda NT-650 "Hawk GT" (89-91)
41 Honda NX-650 (88-89)
41 Honda CB-750 "Nighthawk" (91-03)
41 Honda RVF-720R (94)
41 Honda VF-750C "Magna" (94-03)
41 Honda VF-750C2 "Magna Deluxe" (97-00)
41 Honda VFR-750F (90-97)
41 Honda VT-750CDA/B/C/D "Shadow American Classic Ed. Deluxe" (03)
41 Honda VT-750DC (01-03)
41 Honda PC-800 (89-90, 94-98)
41 Honda CBR-1000F "Hurricane" (87-91, 93-96)
41 Honda VF-1000F "Interceptor" (84)
41 Honda VTR-1000F "Super Hawk" (98-04)
41 Honda ST-1100 (91-02)
41 Honda VF-1100C "V65 Magna" (83-86)
41 Honda VT-1100C "Shadow 1100" (85-90, 92-96)
41 Honda VT-1100C2 (95-99)/ C2-2 (97) "Shadow 1100 American Classic Ed."
41 Honda VT-1100C3 "Shadow Aero" (98-02)
41 Honda VT-1100D2 "Shadow 1100 American Classic Ed." (99)
41 Honda VT-1100T "Shadow 1100 American Classic Ed. Tourer" (98-00)
41 Honda GL-1200 "Goldwing" (84)
41 Honda GL-1200 I "Interstate" (84-87)
41 Honda GL-1200L "Ltd" (85)
41 Honda VTX-1300C (04)
41 Honda GL-1500 "Goldwing" (88-90)
41 Honda GL-1500I "Interstate" (91-96)
41 Kawasaki KX-125 B1 (82)
41 Kawasaki KX-125 H1 (90)
41 Kawasaki KDX-200E5-E6 (93-94)
41 Kawasaki KX-250H1 (90)
41 Kawasaki KXT-250B1 (86)
41 Kawasaki EN-500C1-C8 "Vulcan 500 Ltd" (96-03)
41 Kawasaki EN-500C9 "Vulcan 500 Ltd" (04)
41 Kawasaki KX-500 E2 (90)
41 Kawasaki ZX-600D1-D4 "Ninja (ZX-6)" (90-93)
41 Kawasaki ZX-600E1-E12 "Ninja (ZX-6)" (93-04)
41 Kawasaki ZX-600F1-F3 "Ninja (ZX-6R)" (95-97)
41 Kawasaki ZR-750C1-C3 (91-93)
41 Kawasaki ZR-750F2 (00)
41 Kawasaki ZX-750K1/K2 "Ninja (ZX-7R)" (91-92)
41 Kawasaki ZX-750L2-L3 "Ninja (ZX-7)" (94-95)
41 Kawasaki VN-800 A1-A10 "Vulcan" (95-04)
41 Kawasaki VN-800 B1-B9 "Vulcan Classic" (96-04)
41 Kawasaki VN-800 C1-C2 "Vulcan Drifter" (99-00)
41 Kawasaki ZX-900B1-B4 "Ninja (ZX-9R)" (94-97)
41 Kawasaki ZG-1000A1-A13 "Concours" (86-98)
41 Kawasaki ZG-1000A14-A19 (99-04)
41 Kawasaki ZR-1000A1/A2 (03-04)
41 Kawasaki ZX-1000B1-B3 "Ninja (ZX-10)" (88-90)
41 Kawasaki ZX-1100E1-E3 "GPz 1100" (95-97)
41 Kawasaki ZG-1200A1/B1-B17 "Voyager XII" (86-03)
41 Kawasaki KZ-1300A1-A4 (79-82)
41 Kawasaki ZN-1300A1-A6 "Voyager" (83-88)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500A1-A5 "Vulcan 88/Vulcan 1500"(87-91), VN-1500 B1-B4"Vulcan 88 SE" (87-90)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500A6-A13 (92-99)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500 D1-D2 "Vulcan 1500 Classic" (96-97)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500 E1-E7 "Vulcan 1500 Classic" (98-04)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500 G1/G1A/G2 "Vulcan 1500 Nomad" (99-00)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500J1-J2 "Vulcan 1500 Drifter" (99-00)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500 L1-L5 "Vulcan 1500 Nomad Fi" (00-04)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500N1-N3 "Vulcan 1500 Classic Fi" (00-02)
41 Kawasaki VN-1500R1-R4 "Vulcan 1500 Drifter" (01-04)
41 Suzuki RM-125 L (90)
41 Suzuki RM-125 L (90)
41 Suzuki RM-250 K/L (89-90)
41 Suzuki RM-250 K/L (89-90)
41 Suzuki RMX-250 K/L (89-90)
41 Suzuki RMX-250 K/L (89-90)
41 Suzuki AN-400 K3/K4 (03-04)
41 Suzuki GSF-400 M/N/P "Bandit" (91-93)
41 Suzuki GSF-600 ST/SV/SW "Bandit" (96-98)
41 Suzuki GSF-600 ST/SV/SW "Bandit" (96-98)
41 Suzuki GSF-600 SX//SY/SK1/SK2/SK3 "Bandit" (99-03)
41 Suzuki GSX-600 FJ "Katana" (88)
41 Suzuki GSX-600 FK/FL/FM "Katana" (89-91)
41 Suzuki GSX-600F N/P/R/S/T/V/W/X/Y/K1/K2/K3/K4 "Katana" (92-04)
41 Suzuki GSX-R600 WN/WP (92-93)
41 Suzuki AN-650 K3-K4 (03-04)
41 Suzuki SV-650 SX/SY/SK1/SK2 (99-02)
41 Suzuki SV-650 S K3-K4 (03-04)
41 Suzuki GSX-750 FK/FL/FM (89-91)
41 Suzuki GSX-750F N/P/R/S/T/V/W/X/Y/K1/K2/K3/K4 "Katana" (92-04)
41 Suzuki GSX-R750 G/H (86-87)
41 Suzuki GSX-R750 M/N (91-92)
41 Suzuki VL-800 K1-K4 "Intruder Volusia" (01-04)
41 Suzuki VX-800 L/M/N/P (90-93)
41 Suzuki VZ-800 V/W/X/Y/K1/K2/K3/K4 "Marauder" (97-04)
41 Suzuki VZ-800 V/W/X/Y/K1/K2/K3/K4 "Marauder" (97-04)
41 Suzuki GS-1100 GKZ/GK2/ GKD/GKE (82-84)
41 Suzuki GSX-1100 FJ "Katana" (88)
41 Suzuki GSX-1100 FK/FL/FM/FN/FP "Katana" (89-93)
41 Suzuki GSX-R1100 G/H/J (86-88)
41 Suzuki GSX-R1100 M/N (90-91)
41 Suzuki GSX-R1100WP/WR (93-94)
41 Suzuki GSX-R1100WP/WR (93-94)
41 Suzuki GV-1200 GLF/GLF2/GLG "Madura" (85-86)
41 Suzuki GV-1400 (85-89)
41 Suzuki VS-1400GLP H/J (87-88)
41 Suzuki VS-1400GLP L/M (90-91)
41 Suzuki VS-1400GLP N/P/R/S/T/V/W/X/Y/K1/K2/K3/K4 "Intruder" (92-04)
41 Suzuki VL-1500 W/X/Y/K1/K2/K3 (98-03)
41 Yamaha YZ-125 W (89)
41 Yamaha YZ-125 W (89)
41 Yamaha YZ-125 A (90)
41 Yamaha YZ-125 A (90)
41 Yamaha WR-200 RD (92)
41 Yamaha WR-200 RD (92)
41 Yamaha YZ-250W/WRW (89)
41 Yamaha YZ-250W/WRW (89)
41 Yamaha YZ-250A/WRA (90)
41 Yamaha YZ-250A/WRA (90)
41 Yamaha YZ-250 WRN (89)
41 Yamaha YZ-250 WRN (89)
41 Yamaha YZ-250 WRW/WRA (89-90)
41 Yamaha YZ-250 WRW/WRA (89-90)
41 Yamaha XT-600 L/LC/N/NC/S/SC/T/TC/U/UC (84-88)
41 Yamaha XT-600 W/WC/EA/EAC/EB/EBC (89-91)
41 Yamaha XT-600 ED/EDC/EE/EEC/EF/EFC/EG/EGC (92-95)
41 Yamaha YZF-600 RG (94-95)
41 Yamaha YZF-600 RG (94-95)
41 Yamaha YZF-600 RJ/RJC (97)
41 Yamaha YZF-600 RJ/RJC (97)
41 Yamaha YZF-600 RK/RKC/RL (98-99)
41 Yamaha XVS-650 AK/AKC/AL/ALC/AM/AMC/AN/ANC/A/AP/APC/AR/ARC (98-03)
41 Yamaha XVS-650 N/NCP/PC/R/RC (01-03)
41 Yamaha XVS-650 ATR/ATRC (03)
41 Yamaha XVS-65 AS (04) "Star Classic"
41 Yamaha XVS-65 S (04) "Star Custom"
41 Yamaha FZR-750RT/RU (87-88)
41 Yamaha FZR-750RT/RU (87-88)
41 Yamaha YZF-750 RF/RFC (94)
41 Yamaha YZF-750 RF/RFC (94)
41 Yamaha YZF-750 RH/RHC/RJ/RJC/RK/RKC (96-98)
41 Yamaha YZF-750 RH/RHC/RJ/RJC/RK/RKC (96-98)
41 Yamaha TDM-850 D/DC/E/EC (92-93)
41 Yamaha FZR-1000 B/BC/D/DC/E/EC (91-93)
41 Yamaha FZR-1000 B/BC/D/DC/E/EC (91-93)
41 Yamaha FZR-1000 T/TC/U/UC (87-88)
41 Yamaha FZR-1000 T/TC/U/UC (87-88)
41 Yamaha YZF-1000 RK (98)
41 Yamaha FJ-1100 L/LC/N/NC (84-85)
41 Yamaha FJ-1100 L/LC/N/NC (84-85)
41 Yamaha XVS-1100 AM/AMC/AN/ANC/AP/APC (00-02)
41 Yamaha XVS-1100 M/MC/N/NC/P/PC/R/RC (00-03)
41 Yamaha XVS-1100 R/RC/AR/ARC/ATR/ATRC/AWR/AWRC (03)
41 Yamaha XVS-1100 S/SC/AS/ASC/ATS/ATSC (04)
41 Yamaha FJ-1200 AD/ADC/AE/AEC (92-93)
41 Yamaha FJ-1200 AD/ADC/AE/AEC (92-93)
41 Yamaha FJ-1200 S/SC/T/TC/W/WC/A/AC (87-90)
41 Yamaha FJ-1200 S/SC/T/TC/W/WC/A/AC (87-90)
41 Yamaha XV17 PCP/PCPC (02) "Road Star Warrior"
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:54 PM   #278
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Isn't the NT700 basically a strictly street Trans Alp or visa versa?
They share similarities but it isn't just that the Deuville is simply a touring version of the TA. The engines are more or less the same, but it pretty much ends there.

The closest bike to the NT700 is the NT650 Hawk GT.

Lots of guys have swapped over the TA and AT engines onto their hawks.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:41 PM   #279
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This is pretty fun, actually.
Indeed it is!
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:32 PM   #280
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some progress. bigger lights this time around.



more info here. post 118 for the lights.

http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums...d.php?t=5480&p
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:49 AM   #281
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Z1300 with 660 Studs

THIS has to fit as a beast?
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Old 11-22-2009, 05:56 AM   #282
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Laugh Another Z13 with a more modern companion

Ducati Hyper Motard at the Crystal Rally 2009
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:31 AM   #283
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Well there is where my nick came from.. It WILL be rebuilt, sometime
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Old 12-15-2009, 10:49 PM   #284
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Hmmm lol
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:40 AM   #285
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Hmmm lol
Nice! any chance of a closeup on those studs/shovels?
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