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Old 05-06-2008, 02:22 PM   #16
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Mine`s a 750 Dalesman,not sure how that compares to US models but it`s fairly close to a civilian Gear Up.

Regarding speeds and 'highways' I tend to avoid our motorways which are 70mph limits but with most cars at 75-90mph and HGV`s normally restricted to 56mph and the inside two of three lanes.
I mostly use our rural A and B roads which are usually 60mph limits and for some strange reason nearly all the cars travel at about 40mph.

I posted the example of three up and loaded to the bollox to illustrate that being fully laden doesn`t massively affect the Ural`s travelling capability due to it`s torque and spread of available.
Understood. I did the Blackdog several years ago three up on a new Ural. Some pretty aggresive riding at times, but fairly low speeds. We did fine, even though three up is not optimal weight distribution. But I really do not like the handling at higher speeds(regardless of load) and I worry folks will get in over their heads hearing "hero" stories. For the money, you can put together a much better highway rig.

But for a from the factory get anywhere(eventually) rig with two wheel drive and a reverse, Ural is the only show in town. I also think they make great beginner rigs, as long as you don't try to flog them too hard. With a spare mounted on the trunk they are fairly stable, and the engine gives you nice linear power from way down low -easy to get going from a dead stop but it won't run away with you.
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Old 05-06-2008, 03:27 PM   #17
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well... i wouldn't say it's a deathtrap above 65mph... but you gotta realize going in that the decel effect of hauling yer ass towards the ditch is exaggerated at that speed.

if you know that going in... you'll survive just fine.

gotta tell ya though... decel from 65mph on a gravel or dirt road isn't bad at all. the tires break free and it happens without that short, sharp lurch.

55mph is the absolute sugar-coated tits on my bike. and quite frankly, when yer hacking about... who wants to go faster?

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Old 05-06-2008, 03:32 PM   #18
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and Dnepr's were really bad.
Think of a Ural as a new "vintage" bike. Just remember, sidecars are like stout beer, You will love it or hate it. I havent even started My V-Star since I got the Ural.
Good analogy about beer/hack. Wrong about Dneprs. My MT11 (post SU constructed) has been more reliable than a friend's 06 Ural. What Dnepr do/did you own?
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Old 05-06-2008, 06:18 PM   #19
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:07 PM   #20
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2006 Patrol, 55-60mph crusing speed. No problem.

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Old 05-06-2008, 07:25 PM   #21
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Ural Speed

I must have a really good bike. Mine is an 06 Tourist with about 3500 KL now and it runs just fine at 65kl to 70kl with power to spare. Maybe it's the Kph to Mph thing? I am not sure how fast 70 Kl is, but I have no problem keeping up with traffic on the slabs around Charlotte NC.

The only problem I have had was the Flasher Relay that everyone seems to get and one stuck carb float. Easy fix for both. I love my bike and run it pretty hard on road and off road. I did manage to get it stuck the other day with a 200+ LB monkey in the car and a big ditch to cross. We made it all the way to the other side but not up the hill. No big deal, had the monkey get out and push!! :) On we went!

The bike is loads of fun! Get one!

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Old 05-06-2008, 09:14 PM   #22
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Romadakota, I speak of post Soviet Dneprs being bad. Soviet era military bikes were Dneprs, and were the better of the two. Ural had the better engine, but Dnepr had the better trans, drivetrain, and build quality. A post Soviet Dneper can be built into a great machine , the basics are very solid. My dream bike would be a MB650M with locking diff, and a 2008 Ural engine. I am putting a Dneper tank on My 07 Patrol. The 2005, and later Ural's are light years ahead of the rest. Redmenace makes a good point, I have had My Ural up to 70 + a few times, and it feel's outside the limits of the rig. Every rider, and rig will have different limits. My Ural will do 65 no problem, but limit Myself to 60. I have only been on 1 other rig, a oddball unit that the Evergreen safety school has, and it was a total pos.

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Old 05-07-2008, 03:50 AM   #23
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Laugh Ural Speed

Sorry, I am retarted!! It's MPH on the outter ring of the speed meter.. Mine will run a solid 70mph +. With 65mph being most comfortable on the slabs.

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Old 05-07-2008, 05:54 AM   #24
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QUESTION?

Cost to buy and maintain, has anyone kept a record of repairs and such for one, like tire costs and parts costs? How about insurance as compared?
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:16 AM   #25
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Ural cost

Insurance is the same as my GS here in Montreal. About 250$ full coverage.
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:18 AM   #26
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Well, mine is post Soviet and fine. A lot of people (mainly Ural drivers) talk Dneprs and have never owned one. Mainly they take the numerous horror tales from suckers buying Yuri bikes and apply it to ALL Dneprs. Not good data points.

Now back to the question... Yes a new Ural will maintain speeds over 55mph. A properly set-up rig will maintain even higher speeds. Do all dealers set these rigs up properly - I think we know the answer to that. One will likely have to tweak and set it up themselves if they plan on this type of riding. With that said, Urals and Dneprs alike were not designed for this type of riding - in a continuous fashion. Time spent about 55mph will increase needed maintenance and consumables. Watch those upper head torques and those crazy alternator adapters.


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Romadakota, I speak of post Soviet Dneprs being bad. Soviet era military bikes were Dneprs, and were the better of the two. Ural had the better engine, but Dnepr had the better trans, drivetrain, and build quality. A post Soviet Dneper can be built into a great machine , the basics are very solid. My dream bike would be a MB650M with locking diff, and a 2008 Ural engine. I am putting a Dneper tank on My 07 Patrol. The 2005, and later Ural's are light years ahead of the rest. Redmenace makes a good point, I have had My Ural up to 70 + a few times, and it feel's outside the limits of the rig. Every rider, and rig will have different limits. My Ural will do 65 no problem, but limit Myself to 60. I have only been on 1 other rig, a oddball unit that the Evergreen safety school has, and it was a total pos.
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:22 AM   #27
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Romadakota, I speak of post Soviet Dneprs being bad. Soviet era military bikes were Dneprs, and were the better of the two. Ural had the better engine, but Dnepr had the better trans, drivetrain, and build quality. A post Soviet Dneper can be built into a great machine , the basics are very solid. My dream bike would be a MB650M with locking diff, and a 2008 Ural engine. I am putting a Dneper tank on My 07 Patrol. The 2005, and later Ural's are light years ahead of the rest. Redmenace makes a good point, I have had My Ural up to 70 + a few times, and it feel's outside the limits of the rig. Every rider, and rig will have different limits. My Ural will do 65 no problem, but limit Myself to 60. I have only been on 1 other rig, a oddball unit that the Evergreen safety school has, and it was a total pos.
Soviet era is a long time frame. Their first military bikes were the NATI-A-750 (which became the PMZ-A-750) and the TIZ-AM-600. Then came the M-72 built in Moscow, Gorkiy and later Irbit. During the Great Patriotic War the most numerous Soviet motorcycle was the H-D WLA followed by the Indian 741. After the war GMZ and IMZ made bikes almost exclusively for the Soviet military until the KMZ factory was turned over to military production in 1951/2. And those bikes weren't Dneprs. That name did not come into use until the first OHV KMZ bike the K-650 on the 50th Anniversary of the Great Socialist Revolution in 1967. And that was a brilliant engine design, owing its heritage to the Zündapp KS750. It must have been a good design since BMW copied it 3 years later with the /5 engine. Only someone who has never owned both Urals and Dneprs could say that the Ural motor is a better design.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:13 AM   #28
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(snippage) Only someone who has never owned both Urals and Dneprs could say that the Ural motor is a better design.
What?! You got somthing against next to zero oil pressure splash lubrication, tag welded slingers and clunky transmissions?
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:53 PM   #29
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I would really like to know were to find a good Dnepr, I saw one really nice one in Long Island, and alot of owners on line really like them. When I finally gave in to the Russian iron bug, I really wanted a Dnepr MT-16, or MB650M, in theroy thay seem to be a better rig. Problem was every one for sale I looked at was a total pos. I finally quit looking and got a new Ural. Looks like the only to have a good Dneper is to build it Your self, or have one built by a good shop.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:43 PM   #30
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What?! You got somthing against next to zero oil pressure splash lubrication, tag welded slingers and clunky transmissions?
Actually, I have nothing against roller bearing engines and their ability to run on splash/mist lubrication. The welded slingers ARE an engineering crime. The clunky transmissions are no worse than Bavarian Money Wasters. I do have something against people sprouting a little bit of information and a whole lot more misinformation. The article in the first post on this thread is a good case in point. And to get back to the thread question, understand the environment in which the Ural was designed. It was NOT a military vehicle. The 2WD was only added for the U.S. market to compete with Dnepr (Ramco). When these bikes were designed the Soviet maximum speed limit was 90 km/h and the motorcycle speed limit was 70 km/h! You can take a pig and put lipstick on it, it may be a very nice pig, but it's still a pig with lipstick applied. You can take a Ural off-road OR you can make it a highway hauler. You're talking about mutually exclusive design goals. To borrow from the space race (won by the Soviets) - pick two!
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