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Old 10-17-2012, 08:16 AM   #5641
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The stinkier among us

washed off in the cold river... not this one though,



The Scotts swapped GPS's since the screen had been damaged in the crash,





and as the sun set on Camp Connecter,





you could really appreciate (and smell) the smokey haze.



We sat around our campfire substitute for awhile, and called it a day.

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Old 10-17-2012, 08:56 AM   #5642
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:20 AM   #5643
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Fantastic!

Fantastic Ride Report as always. Photos are tops!
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:38 AM   #5644
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We made it to the Camp Baker recreation site at a good hour. Man it was nice.
Camping was free as it was out of season----as no one in their right minds would be out here this time of the year------yeh-----that's why we came.



Francine prepared us a little appetizer as she always did while Dave was planning the full meal.
We were never allowed to eat our freeze dried dinners in the evenings. Dave said on this trip they were for emergency's only..............OK !!!!




We had an extremely nice creek very near---and Dave purified some water.







Left: Dingweeds
Right: Scott Caldwell ......AKA Northern Traveler.
And I think I already said we knicknamed him "Connector"
Here he is doing his job-------Connecting.

Connector was a lot of fun and is the biggest wiz of this computer mapping stuff I've ever met.
Notice the nice outhouses that were still open for us---and they were still stocked with the necessary stuff.







The creek (The Smith River) just 50ft. from our tents.
This spot couldn't be seen from our tents-------it was a little cool out-------but I hadn't had a bath for a bunch of days.
We hadn't stayed in a motel once yet-------and I announced (so as not to scare anybody) that I was going around the corner behind the bushes to the creek--
I was going to get naked
and was going to take a bath---------and I did.
Man did I sleep good that night.
I think Scott and Scott followed my lead on the bath thing later.





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Old 10-17-2012, 02:44 PM   #5645
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IDing public and private land

For inmates who may not be aware ...

As good as they are, Benchmark Maps, a mainstay of my routing, don't depict land ownership. Neither does Google Earth to my knowledge. But U.S. Forest Service forest visitor maps and Bureau of Land Management Surface Management maps do, and although they are pricey and can really add up in cost for a long trip, they can be helpful in many cases.

Also, I sometimes encounter private-property and no-trespassing signs positioned in a deliberately misleading and intimidating manner, i.e., to make the traveler think the road is not a public right of way, when in fact is it is one, while the land on either side of the road is what is private, not the road corridor itself. That might explain why some gates were open, some locked. Public rights of way through private land are common in every neighborhood, even through rangelands.

Best to know beforehand if possible, of course.

With all of this, I shall say that Idaho is fortunate indeed to be more than 66 percent publicly owned land, and the sense of freedom that provides is life-defining. Montana is less than 35 percent public land -- less, even, than New York State, at 37 percent.

Stats by state are here.

Just sayin' ...
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:47 PM   #5646
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For inmates who may not be aware ...

As good as they are, Benchmark Maps, a mainstay of my routing, don't depict land ownership. Neither does Google Earth to my knowledge. But U.S. Forest Service forest visitor maps and Bureau of Land Management Surface Management maps do, and although they are pricey and can really add up in cost for a long trip, they can be helpful in many cases.

Also, I sometimes encounter private-property and no-trespassing signs positioned in a deliberately misleading and intimidating manner, i.e., to make the traveler think the road is not a public right of way, when in fact is it is one, while the land on either side of the road is what is private, not the road corridor itself. That might explain why some gates were open, some locked. Public rights of way through private land are common in every neighborhood, even through rangelands.

Best to know beforehand if possible, of course.

With all of this, I shall say that Idaho is fortunate indeed to be more than 66 percent publicly owned land, and the sense of freedom that provides is life-defining. Montana is less than 35 percent public land -- less, even, than New York State, at 37 percent.

Stats by state are here.

Just sayin' ...
Good point Tony. It's always a little interesting in Montana. A lot of my friends hunt, and right now privately own land can "lease" permission to hunt to outfitters and other interested parties. Thus in the last 10 years there is a monetary incentive to close access where before it was a little more carefree. Its a tough call when you are setting up a route.

Another source are the forest service Motor Vehicle Use (MVU) maps. Most of these are accessable online and show when there is private land in the middle of forest lands.

That is a good list of statitistics in that link Tony. Looks like all the four corner states have high percentages of public land. The cattle barrons and mining started Montana down the wrong path. So there is a long history of "discussion" over private land and access to public lands.

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Old 10-17-2012, 06:52 PM   #5647
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The state of Snookie, ahem, I mean NJ, ranked 16th! who woulda thunk it ?

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Old 10-17-2012, 07:12 PM   #5648
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But the whole state of NJ is ~1/7 the size of the publicly held lands in Montana.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:04 PM   #5649
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The smoke wasn't quite as bad up between Swan and Seely lakes. But there were still areas that were worse than others. If I remember correctly, there were a couple small fires on the south end of the Mission range that would have blown smoke right over Great Falls and the Smith River drainage.




I drew the short straw on Sept 10th and was assigned to move Goliath and the Mothership to a new camp site.



We were roughing it! The RV park in Helena had nice showers and a resturant about 1/2 mile down the road. As it turned out we were probably 40 miles as the crow flies from the M10 crew. My fate would change in a few short days... Until then, the CDT was calling my name.

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Old 10-17-2012, 09:22 PM   #5650
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But the whole state of NJ is ~1/7 the size of the publicly held lands in Montana.
DP, stand up for the Gardening State!

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Old 10-18-2012, 04:21 AM   #5651
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DP, stand up for the Gardening State!

Hey! don't be f'in wit my Joisey.......

At least we still have cheap gas and fuel station attendants

OK, enough hi-jacking about my great state you mongrels, please continue Doc & Dog.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:48 AM   #5652
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Great report and ride. I really sympathize with the closed road problem. I do use BLM maps to determine land ownership. New Mexico has all the 100k maps online. Utah has one giant map online, but it is useful and accurate as to places I have checked.

Not sure about other states.

My general philosophy is that minor un-numbered roads on private land are not going to work. I really irks me when a numbered forest road is blocked by a locked gate on private land. If a road is numbered and there is only a sign saying No Trespassing (no locked gate) I will generally go thru it.

We do a lot of trips like the Mobius Loop in the NM, AZ, UT, CO, NV, CA area. Here is a trip report of our epic Death Valley ride from a couple of years ago.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=587761

But nearly all of us stay in motels. Only a couple of guys camp sometimes.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:52 AM   #5653
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Doc thanks for taking the time to do these reports. Very enjoyable read.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:52 AM   #5654
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The road we popped out on and went down a mile to a locked gate was in fact the road the Doc had routed us on farther down from where we had hit the gate with the 'Private Property' sign on it.

So I got us around and back on track only to be thwarted again!

That's when we ended up doing the boon-docking across the field.

I'm still out west scouting a new route and I have to tell you, I used MVUM, county maps, Forest Service maps, Benchmark maps and GTP maps, (not to mention about 6 different maps for my Garmin's) and it STILL isn't enough.

All of them are wrong in areas.

So you still have to get out there and ride it to make sure it works.

Had a talk with a county commissioner last night about some roads in the county I'm in.... she said they don't have enough money to maintain all the roads, so even if it's on the map it may not be there! WTF!!!! This is a county road map posted by the state, on the web!
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:57 PM   #5655
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Hey Scott, I'm working on the next day's photos -- uploading soon.

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...So I got us around and back on track... That's when we ended up doing the boon-docking across the field.
You sure did get us back on track... you are the ACES in-the-field master at finding the connectors!

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I'm still out west scouting a new route connector and I have to tell you,...
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So you still have to get out there and ride it to make sure it works.
Nothing beats tires-on-the-ground intel!

Of course, every once in a while you get chewed out , and maybe even shot at.
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