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Old 06-16-2008, 08:37 PM   #46
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i am ducati's nachtflug....

well fuckin' hell...

leave a thread for 24hrs and i come back to some very interesting debate.

1. i'm not sold on the "passion" argument...the fact is that even my appliance-UJM is inspirational, to me. riding is the passion, the machine is a small part of the equation. i have just as much fun riding a supersport as an old cruiser or thumper DS. nobody sold me on my bike by telling me it's exclusive and soulful....a 20 year run of being understood as the most balanced sportbike out there (despite the advent of bigger bikes)...combined with a few hundred miles on one...was enough. again, what'll it do???


2. i will say that twins are fun, right now my fav twin is that super duke...if duc wants credibility with me as a supersport enthusiast...they'll have to put up or shut up...that means race wins and spec sheets. otherwise...do what KTM does and STFU about being the best in the business and just build your quirky bikes for quirky buyers. don't get me wrong, i love the RC8 and the SD as bikes...but the moment they try to sell themselves as king-shit on the racetrack is when they'll lose credibility the way ducati has with me. you would think they could sort out the maintenance after all these years.

3. yes, my ass was sore after riding to ohio last week...but the fact of the matter is that my bike needed ZERO maintenance before, during, and after that trip....well maybe some chain lube. i made the decision at the last possible second, loaded up, and rode off. it pulled mid 160s on the highway...puttered along backroads after dark at 3000rpm...and got me to point B safely. 120miles to reserve is about all my bladder can handle...so that's just fine with me. at no point in the trip did i worry about a "fail to start" or "are my valves ticking?"...i have had absolute faith in my bike's ability to take me where i want it to. no leaking fluids, no major adjustments. that's worth the ubiquity.

so yah...maybe i'm just a weird guy...or just the idiot noob. what a bike does IS important to me regardless if i'll ever get the most out of it personally. how many other people are riding it, marketing, and personification of a bike don't really figure into the equation...especially when those three things cost me more and give me a less reliable motorcycle.

ducati is a lot like religious cults...the rest of us look at it and wonder why they like kid-fucking. those in the cult look back and wonder why we aren't "enlightened."

i just ask the ducatisti to tell me what i'm getting less of in choosing the UJM...what am i missing out on?

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Old 06-16-2008, 08:47 PM   #47
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2. i will say that twins are fun, right now my fav twin is that super duke...if duc wants credibility with me as a supersport enthusiast...they'll have to put up or shut up...that means race wins and spec sheets. otherwise...do what KTM does and STFU about being the best in the business and just build your quirky bikes for quirky buyers.
Well that's a bit odd, as the performance gap between a SD and an 848 is about as large as the performance gap between an 848 and a GSX-R750. Despite the ~150cc advantage the SD is down 10-15rwhp on the 848, and the 848 even costs less than the SD. The Super Duke hasn't been out long enough to accurately measure reliability, but if the 950A tells us anything we can expect the SD to be quite the maintenance whore too.

If the 848 is dog slow and Ducati doesn't produce any respectable machinery, how can a rider such as yourself even tolerate something more expensive and slower like a Super Duke?
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:11 PM   #48
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Well that's a bit odd, as the performance gap between a SD and an 848 is about as large as the performance gap between an 848 and a GSX-R750. Despite the ~150cc advantage the SD is down 10-15rwhp on the 848, and the 848 even costs less than the SD. The Super Duke hasn't been out long enough to accurately measure reliability, but if the 950A tells us anything we can expect the SD to be quite the maintenance whore too.

If the 848 is dog slow and Ducati doesn't produce any respectable machinery, how can a rider such as yourself even tolerate something more expensive and slower like a Super Duke?
it's because i am commenting on the SuperDuke as a concept...not actually signing off on the thing as the greatest thing since sliced bread. if i believed that i'd have bought it.

the idea of a naked muscle twin, streetfighter style, is appealing to me...it's appealing to me mostly because naked bikes are fun to me. i'd still go for a speed triple if it came down to buying time. but then, i wouldn't be buying the ultimate in sportbike...i'd be buying the ultimate factory streetfighter.

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Old 06-16-2008, 10:22 PM   #49
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The Super Duke hasn't been out long enough to accurately measure reliability, but if the 950A tells us anything we can expect the SD to be quite the maintenance whore too.
It might have made its debut in North America recently but the bike certainly has been available in Europe since 2005/2006.

I do not have any personal experience with the bike so can not make any comment on its reliability.

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Old 06-17-2008, 12:09 AM   #50
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they are the "standardized testing" by which we can judge the capability of the machines.

neither bike is a slouch in the corners...to be sure...but, i'd prefer the icing on the cake that comes with the gixxer.

exclusivity doesn't mean a whole lot when you're trying to negotiate a corner as fast as possible...what the machine will do matters WAY more.

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Ride what you like. If that's the Suzi, good-on-ya. Why all the passion for bashing Ducati? As a point made earlier, anyone who buys a motorcycle, or chooses to dislike another based upon magazine tests and spec sheets is missing the most important thing about riding........

How does it feel to you? Is it comfortable for your size and weight? Will it do what you want it to do, without endless modifications?

As for performance capabilities, are you a talented enough rider to push either the GSXR-750 or Ducati 848 to their limits in stock trim? Somehow, I tend to doubt it. If you are buying a machine to race on, choose your poison for reasons of your own, and have fun. If you are just looking to ride the 'best performing' machine on the street, then who's the poser?

I didn't buy my GT-1000 Ducati as a status symbol, but as a daily commuter and canyon-dancer. 'Lil Miss Duckie fits me well, and I completely enjoy every mile ridden......She just feels right. The best 'standardized test' is the smile on your face, not 1/4-mile times.

I hope that someday, you'll grow-up enough to enjoy whatever you ride as much as I do.......then you just might discover the time wasted in trashing other people's choices.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:08 AM   #51
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i just ask the ducatisti to tell me what i'm getting less of in choosing the UJM
You're getting less Ducati.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:00 AM   #52
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ducati is a lot like religious cults...the rest of us look at it and wonder why they like kid-fucking. those in the cult look back and wonder why we aren't "enlightened."
The fact that your mind made this gigantic leap is rather telling.
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The fact that your mind made this gigantic leap is rather telling.
Bingo!
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:12 AM   #54
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You buy your bikes based on what you read?

Try thinking for yourself!

As was stated earlier, most bikes out there are better than the riders on them, and I would bet you're in the 99% of riders where that holds true.

I've owned a 9sec GSXR750, fun and powerfull!!
my last commuter bike though was a F4I and now I own a Buell.. If I only looked at the Dyno I would have still been on the F4I, but I ride my bikes, I don't read about them, and the Buell is a LOT better bike in the real world (As would the Duk)

The large V twins just have so much torque down low that they are a BLAST to ride! Sure the other bikes may out run it in a dragrace, but again,I RIDE my bike, I don't race it.. I don't want to have to ride around town at 8000 RPMs to stay in any kind of power.. V-Twin 5th gear, 2000 RPM, you want to pass, just roll on the throttle, you don't have to drop 2 or 3 gears like the I4..

I spend 99.5% of my time riding between 2500-4000 RPMs..
THAT is where I want my power thanks, why would I want all this power where I'll only use it .5% of the time?
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Old 06-17-2008, 06:55 AM   #55
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nobody sold me on my bike by telling me it's exclusive and soulful.... (abe)

Sounds like a magazine sold you a bike because they said that it was faster.


3. yes, my ass was sore after riding to ohio last week...but the fact of the matter is that my bike needed ZERO maintenance before, during, and after that trip....well maybe some chain lube. i made the decision at the last possible second, loaded up, and rode off. it pulled mid 160s on the highway...puttered along backroads after dark at 3000rpm...and got me to point B safely. 120miles to reserve is about all my bladder can handle...so that's just fine with me. at no point in the trip did i worry about a "fail to start" or "are my valves ticking?"...i have had absolute faith in my bike's ability to take me where i want it to. no leaking fluids, no major adjustments. that's worth the ubiquity. (abe)

You should be very proud that yor bike made such a long trip without needing any service or leaking fluids. Why would a Ducati be any different? Ducatis go for a long time- I have 31,000 on mine (it doesn't leak fluids, doesn't need service on every trip) I recently saw a suberbike sell with 75,000 miles.

Look nobody is trying to convince you to buy a Duc- you have something that you are happy with and that's what it's all about but just try to look past the myth and bs and dyno sheets. I'm amazed that so many people have outward distain for any brand, it's all two wheels- right?

ducati is a lot like religious cults...the rest of us look at it and wonder why they like kid-fucking. those in the cult look back and wonder why we aren't "enlightened." )abe)

It's not enlightenment it's just different taste- why is that so odd to you? Does every person that you know drink the same beer? Have identical looking wives? Have the same car?

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Old 06-17-2008, 11:21 AM   #56
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2. i will say that twins are fun, right now my fav twin is that super duke...if duc wants credibility with me as a supersport enthusiast...they'll have to put up or shut up...that means race wins and spec sheets. otherwise...do what KTM does and STFU about being the best in the business and just build your quirky bikes for quirky buyers. don't get me wrong, i love the RC8 and the SD as bikes...but the moment they try to sell themselves as king-shit on the racetrack is when they'll lose credibility the way ducati has with me. you would think they could sort out the maintenance after all these years.
Interesting - have you ridden a SD or RC8? Ever owned a KTM?
I own & maintain my 990 Superduke. My 4th KTM, after many Nipponese & a few German bikes.
Spec sheets & race wins will convince you?
So you're buying a factory racing bike?
Ducati sort out the maintenance? Have you ever owned a Ducati?
Or do you buy a bike, ride it until you're done/it needs work, and then buy new again?
It seems that Suzuki's ads are all about
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- what with the Spies/Mladin show every week.
You should boycott Suzuki immediately.

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3. yes, my ass was sore after riding to ohio last week...but the fact of the matter is that my bike needed ZERO maintenance before, during, and after that trip....well maybe some chain lube. i made the decision at the last possible second, loaded up, and rode off. it pulled mid 160s on the highway...puttered along backroads after dark at 3000rpm...and got me to point B safely. 120miles to reserve is about all my bladder can handle...so that's just fine with me. at no point in the trip did i worry about a "fail to start" or "are my valves ticking?"...i have had absolute faith in my bike's ability to take me where i want it to. no leaking fluids, no major adjustments. that's worth the ubiquity.
Mid-160s on the highway? As in 160MPH? Public highways?

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Old 06-17-2008, 11:28 AM   #57
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:54 PM   #58
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:57 PM   #59
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well fuckin' hell...

leave a thread for 24hrs and i come back to some very interesting debate.



3. yes, my ass was sore after riding to ohio last week...but the fact of the matter is that my bike needed ZERO maintenance before, during, and after that trip....well maybe some chain lube. i made the decision at the last possible second, loaded up, and rode off. it pulled mid 160s on the highway...puttered along backroads after dark at 3000rpm...and got me to point B safely. 120miles to reserve is about all my bladder can handle...so that's just fine with me. at no point in the trip did i worry about a "fail to start" or "are my valves ticking?"...i have had absolute faith in my bike's ability to take me where i want it to. no leaking fluids, no major adjustments. that's worth the ubiquity.



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160's?? Loaded up? my topcase came with a warning not exceed 80
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:33 PM   #60
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Gsxr 750?

Buy what you like. I've owned GSXR 750 and Ducati's both great bikes. I like the power pulses of an L twin for 90% of my riding. If I tracked more I'd probably just buy a Honda 600 CBR. Easy to repair and cheap. People love or hate Ducati. I prefer to Love Ducati. JMO
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