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Old 07-16-2009, 01:29 PM   #796
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Heres another option for you:
http://www.vholdr.com/

I've used one of these and the HD Video is stunning about a hundred bucks more then the GoPro but worth it IMO..

watch these:
http://www.vholdr.com/video/motor-training-ride

http://www.vholdr.com/video/contourh...hoe-motor-ride

http://www.vholdr.com/video/first-ride-test-contourhd
That's interesting. I see it in those also, but every 1/4 second instead. It must be due to the way they refresh the sensor to allow for 30FPS without really shooting a full sensor every frame. Vholdr looks better for sure tho.
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:27 PM   #797
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I would be the first to say that the GoPro does NOT produce high quality video. There are much better ways to get quality footage and I think all of the "helmet cams" are a compromise. Using a "bullet" head feeding to a better video recorder might be better but you have cords, cables, and power supplies to power the camera head/ lens. I have such a set up, using an older Sony with MiniDV tapes and get higher quality footage, in terms of framing, exposure, low light, etc. It is a bit more complicated to use. Just depends on what you are after.
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GoPro is a good toy for the money.
I found that not being able to frame the shot/high battery use/and useless sound were major drawbacks.

You can pick up a used compact camcorder on CL or FleaBay for next to nothing, then just put the money into a good mounting system.
Depends on how bad you want to beat it up, mounting on your body absorbs most of the vibrations. Just don't crash. . .

In the end I replaced it with a VIO POV which is a great set up but only slightly better.

There are some great new HD cameras coming out for the extreme action shooter. Pretty much out of the budget of most normal people.

GoPro + cheap Canon Elura




POV + Canon GL2 3CCD




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Old 07-17-2009, 07:04 AM   #798
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Here's my seriously budget-minded camera setup

Do-it-yourself camera mount - about $5.00 in parts
(courtesy of http://www.knick-knack.com/howto/mot...era-mount.html)

*This particular mount is designed for handlebars with a space in between the clamps - it is not suitable for clip-ons.


+ 1 Creative Labs Vado digital video camera (~ $85.00 online)



+ approx 15 minutes of assembling and tinkering:


And voila! Fairly decent ride videos for about $90.00! I used Picasa to import the videos, and export sections into separate upload-able vids. Note that Picasa doesn't allow any real slicing/deleting/transitioning type editing -just new start / end frames and export.

Here's the result:










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Old 07-17-2009, 07:17 AM   #799
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Nicely done, n00b....anytime I can put PVC plumbing components on my bike I'm all in!!!
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:52 PM   #800
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Nice evaluation.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:12 AM   #801
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Still would like to see how you have that camera attached Ducman...
Sorry, missed that reply. Quality for such a small ultra-compact w/ IS seems good to me, and the newer Panasonics can only be better than this older model. Below is a new vid I just took yesterday. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9fioFuuCzc&fmt=22

The ghetto mounting is on my youtube site:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0JOIEpRwDw&fmt=22

I use a black strap and covered that block w/ black electrical tape so it looks a bit better, heh. But I like it since you can put it on and off in a couple seconds, as if its a hassle then I'd likely skip putting it on more often than not.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:18 PM   #802
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Helmet mounted camera

I know they make helmet mount video cameras, but have you ever seen a helmet mount digital camera that just takes photos?

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Old 07-21-2009, 02:25 PM   #803
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Not just photo's

But the GoPro Hero can be set to take a picture every 2 or every 5 seconds.
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:28 PM   #804
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Ow, my neck! JKJKJKJK!!!

Just get one that does both. I switch back and forth on my little digicam easily w/ my gloves on.

There are better solutions, but I like the results of mine and I sure as heck like that it'd only cost ya $220 (or nothing if you already have a decent subcompact digicam which IMO are practical to have anyway).

Video has IS, and while my vids sure as heck aren't perfectly smooth since I tend to move my head a lot, it definitely gets rid of the fast shakes big time:

Sunset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9fioFuuCzc&fmt=22
Night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ltEp6hOYHI&fmt=22
Daytime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plb8_f5DpjE&fmt=22
Helmet Cam setup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0JOIEpRwDw&NR=1&fmt=22

(sorry about the audio, still tweaking that)

Pics aren't eye-popping or anything, and I can only see the very top edge of the LCD snapping shots to line em up, but its good enough IMO.




My biggest complaint though is that I can only shoot about 10 mins of footage in 720P (1280x720) HD before having to push the button on the top again, as file size limit is 2GB on the SD card, even though its a 16GB card. If you can live with lower resolution though, it'll shoot a very long time before filling 2GB and needing another button push, as battery life has been excellent. For pictures, thats not a concern though, and you'll never fill that 16GB card @ 10 megapixel a pop... would take forever.

Newer cams like the Panasonic TS1 are shockproof, waterproof, and take better pics and video for a bit of a premium.

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Old 07-23-2009, 09:58 AM   #805
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So what's the story on post shot image stabilization software? I'm a Mac user and I think my Canon point and shoot takes some pretty good video, but I've now mounted it to the crash bar of the GS and the handlebar of it as well and there's just too much vibration for it to be usable despite getting some really cool angles.
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:37 PM   #806
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Advice on a helmet or bike mounted camera

Help!

My husband and son are taking a Father & Son bonding roadtrip this fall, their first! I want to surprise them with a camera/video recorder they can use to document the trip and to bring back memories. My son is getting in to photography so I would like something he can mount on his bike or helmet to augment the stills he will surely take with a DSLR he got last year. I've looked at some models online but with no real riding experience (except the few times they've taken me out for a whirl) I don't know what to look for.

My uneducated guess says light, weather resistant and relatively shake proof. Any advice for an old gal out there?

These are the models that look to be the highest rated:
GoPro Motorports HERO Wide
Oregon Scientific ATC3K Helmet Cam
Oregon Scientific ATC5K Helmet Cam
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:59 PM   #807
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The upcoming GoPro Hero HD looks good:

http://helmetcameracentral.com/2009/...-cam-announce/

VHoldR has a high def version for a reasonable price as well.

My problem with these is that they don't have image stabilization. This isn't a huge deal for helmet mount, but on some motorcycle mounts it is a pretty a great feature to have. Problem is there doesn't seem to be a good durable camera that has this feature. If you can live without that feature (and you probably can), both of the above are good choices and good values. The GoPro HD would be my first choice but I don't think it is out just yet.
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:51 AM   #808
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Well, almost any decent compact camera has IS, and many do 720P 30FPS. They are ultra-light and all have standard threads, so can be mounted fixed to any of the standard location using various methods. They cost $0 if you already have one (and they are practical to have anyway), and still very affordable for the multi-purpose use buying new (since they're also great point and shoots for stills too).

They can also be used for helmet cams by various methods. You can see how I set mine up on my vlog page (see sig).

Personally, I'd like the new water/shock/dirtproof Panasonic TS1. Theres the purpose built vio pov 1.5, but its quite expensive, and I don't really notice a quality difference between my $250 setup and that $600 setup, and in 2 secs I can take that cam off my helmet and use it normally carried around in my shirt pocket.

The problem with a lot of these setups though is AUDIO. The GoPro is on your head with the mic on your head... you're going to hear wind noise drowned out by more wind noise. I find it far more entertaining to hear vloggers talk while riding. Mordeth13 (search youtube) is basically the grand-daddy king of this.
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Old 07-24-2009, 01:25 PM   #809
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Thank you! This information is really helpful.

Happy and safe riding to you all!
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:54 AM   #810
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I had one of the earlier Go-pro helmet cams... and wasn't impressed with it. It was a bit finicky to use and would only record MAYBE an hour at a time before it either filled up the card or the battery would run out.... the thing just ate batteries. Haven't tried the newer ones or the vholdr though...

what *I* was considering was getting one of these:
http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/produ...ca9/index.html
Sanyo Xacti... they come in waterproof, take high def video, and apparently take pretty good pictures. Just mount to the bike somehow and go!

I had also been looking at the Canon D10... new waterproof digicam. Had planned on mounting this to a ram ball on my 640...
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=18332

Both look like pretty good options if you don't want a dedicated "helmet camera"...
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