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Old 04-18-2015, 08:36 AM   #1
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Question May be time to sell my rig... What is it worth? / Strip or leave it farkled?

Howdy inmates!
Due to some medical changes (both positive as well as negative) I have done the unthinkable.
After more than 19 years, I once again own a car.

Which means that my big red sidecar rig is now somewhat superfluous, and I am thinking it is time to pass it along to someone who can use and appreciate it properly.



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Over the last couple of years riding the bikes year-round in every weather/temperature extreme has been getting more and more difficult for me. Extreme cold has been getting worse on my arthritic joints, and I had suffered heat stroke on the return leg of my trip across Labrador which has had a lasting effect on my ability to tolerate heat/humidity as well. To top it off, the nerve and blood vessel damage below my knees meant that sleeping in the sidecar without having my feet properly elevated would leave me with swollen feet come morning, to the point of having trouble getting my boots back on.

So last summer I finally went through a PTSD therapy program at the VA so that I could get over my fear of traveling inside of small metal tubes with too many wheels.
The VA has gotten really good at treating PTSD due to having far too many veterans needing help, and deserving it a whole lot more than me. (which is why I was willing to wait till there was an empty slot, and not take one away from a combat vet who was waiting.)
Anyway, it worked well enough that in December I picked up a Subaru Outback and actually put the sidecar away for the winter next to the 2-wheeler.



The Outback has room for me to lay stretched out flat with the rear seat folded down, and heat/air for both driving and getting the cabin comfortable for sleeping. I took it on a test drive down to the Southwest in January/February and it really worked out pretty well. So it will now be my mini-rv for traveling, and I am in the market for a small enduro or a scooter to carry on a hitch rack for having fun on locally once I get somewhere.


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I upgraded to the R1200RT and big Hannigan LT chair to be able to use it as a camper/sleeper and to be able to get off the road and hold-up for a while when waiting out my migraines.
It worked very well as a motorcycle RV, and passably well as an adventure rig as well.


At the time I upgraded I was also dating a woman who was crazy enough to enjoy riding year-round with me. So part of the decision was also driven by having a rig powerful enough for serious 2-up touring and the cabin of the Hannigan is also more comfortable and is SO much easier to open/close than the Champion Escort I originally had bought for her to ride in.
(the Escort has a cloth snap-on roof that was a real hassle to deal with every time you wanted in/out)
However, in truth, my earlier R100RT/Hitchhiker combination was a better winter rig with the narrow tires to cut through the snow, and I LOVED the reverse gear transmission for saving my knees in parking lots, etc.
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- I am not going to use the rig for long-distance travel/camping anymore.
- I am also no longer going to use a sidecar rig for my primary year-round transportation. (and don't have a willing summer or winter passenger either)
- And there are other rigs better suited for more aggressive adventure riding and the occasional winter foray.

So, it seems to make sense to sell it.

(I have even toyed with the idea of a 2wd Ural as a replacement as a fun rig since it would not be my every-day long-haul machine.)

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However, I really have no idea how to price the rig.
Here is a breakdown of what I have built:

Tug: 2005 BMW R1200RT
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Title badged: Rebuilt Salvage
~65,000 miles (50k w/chair attached)
- Heated Grips
- Heated Seats
- ESA
- Bar mounted mirrors in addition to stock fairing mirrors
- Steel mirror tethers
- Driver's backrest
- 49 liter factory top box
- Central fuse block for accessory and sidecar wiring interface
- RAM mount w/12v coax GPS power jack
- Rear seat 12v power outlet
- Upgraded to dual-Fiamme horns
- Additional compact air horn
- 2010+ style windshield with anti-turbulence wings
- Headlight protector
- Oil cooler protector
- Front fender extender
- Gizmo Mill LED taillight replacement module w/adjustable flashing pattern
- Kisan Pathblazer headlight modulator
- Odyssey battery
- GS handguards

Chair: 2008 Hannigan LT
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- Installed by Hannigan w/subframes and optional 2-tone paint to match bike
- Open Concept windshield with removable side windows
- Optional wide seat
- Heated seat
- Custom upgraded to 2 roof latches for security and no "head banger" from centered stock latch.
- LED Cabin lighting
- Trunk lid upgraded to gas shock from stock retaining chain.
- Additional deep-cycle battery in trunk to power lights/fans/charging when bike is turned off.
- Additional LED priority brake lights on trunk lid.
- Shock skins on sidecar shock and TILT actuator to protect from dirt/water.
- Upgraded sidecar wiring harness with Posilocks rather than scotchlocks normally used by Hannigan.
- Electrical umbilical to bike upgraded to waterproof weatherpack connectors.
- Screened side window inserts and bug/debris screening on air intake vent.
- Screen room fly for open-air camping
- 2" foam mattress for converting sidecar to sleeper compartment


Sidecar Specific Upgrades:
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- 15" car tire conversion on drive wheel
.....* Anodized adapter with hub centering rings and true automotive studs
.....* Anodized Weld Racing Prostar 15x4 wheel
.....* McGard lifetime warranty lug nuts
- Custom trail reducer bracket
- Custom stainless steel steer damper
- Bar-backs for additional leverage
- R12ST final drive for better gearing
- Full integration of sidecar electrical to bike with canbus interface, fuses, and relays.
- Using a tire designed for rear wheel use on front wheel for increased contact patch and wear. (mounted properly with reverse rotation)


The bike does have a branded title, the original owner slid it and it was totaled by his insurance for the cosmetic damage.
There are still a few reminders of that slide here and there, but no mechanical issues at all.

Also, I HAVE ridden this for over 50,000 miles including through the winter and a goodly bit of dirt & gravel, so there are some purely cosmetic issues with it. The front air dam on the chair has been ground down a few times, and there is one crack in it from a harder hit.

There are also a few dings/scrapes elsewhere on the bike as well. There are a couple of scratches in the front and sidecar wheel, and some of the sidecar mounting bolts have some surface rust on them.



However, because I was used to riding bikes year-round for two decades before building this rig, I have taken care of it correctly from the start.
I have used a high-quality anti-seize paste on EVERY fastener that I have ever touched, every time. The installer at Hannigan thought I was a bit crazy to insist that he use anti-seize on everything during the install as well, but he did it at my request (with the bottle I provided).
So while some of the heads of fasteners might look a bit cruddy, there is no problem with getting things apart for maintenance, etc.
I also am very generous with my use of dielectric grease in electrical connections.
The current exhaust system is not very pretty, but completely solid (stainless). But I do have a complete stock take-off system in a box that goes with the rig if the buyer wants it. I got it for free, so I will pass it along.



I maintained the bike to the factory schedule or better using Mobil-1 fluids and a fresh filter on every change and BMW brake fluids.
I am currently doing a Spring service on the rig with new engine/trans/fd fluids, valve adjust, etc.

It is not a concourse winner, but it still passes the 20/20 test. (from 20ft or 20mph it looks really good!)
And if I were still capable of doing so, I would not hesitate to hop on the rig as it sits and ride it to Alaska or farther.


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So, any ideas what I should be asking for this rig?
Anyone want to make a serious offer?

Thanks!
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Old 04-18-2015, 09:04 AM   #2
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If I hadn't already spent a small bunch of money starting to put together a similar rig built on 1100rt I'd make you a serious offer. But since you probably wouldn't take the $50 currently in my bike budget I would love to steal ideas/details for some of your upgrades/modifications. Do you have a build thread or something similar somewhere? If not, do you mind if I send you a ton of questions via PM?

In any case, good luck with the decision making and - if you go that route - potential sale. I'll be a little envious of of any future owner 😄

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Old 04-18-2015, 10:01 AM   #3
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Temptation!

Are you still gonna keep another 'hack around?.
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Old 04-18-2015, 11:21 AM   #4
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Are you still gonna keep another 'hack around?.
Not in the short-term. I am considering the idea of getting a smaller/lighter rig for playing with. But not just yet.

On my short list is to get a mid-sized scooter or small dual-sport to carry behind the wagon.
If I can keep the weight around 250lb or less I can just use a hitch rack and not have to worry about a trailer.
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Old 04-18-2015, 05:15 PM   #5
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Some of the after market bits people will want others they won't, price with and with out the farkles, be flexible and sell what's left. This has worked pretty well for me in the past. The buyer gets what he wants and so do you, a win. win.

Good luck in your sale!
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Old 04-18-2015, 07:06 PM   #6
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Hmmm, I just bought a Sprinter, so I'm poor for a bit.

My vote is it's one of the more well sorted and tested rigs out there. If my other half didn't LOVE the open ride in the Ural tub, I'd find a way to grab your rig, complete.

As far as price- can't help. There really are not any "comps" out there.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:31 AM   #7
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Hmmm, I just bought a Sprinter, so I'm poor for a bit.

My vote is it's one of the more well sorted and tested rigs out there. If my other half didn't LOVE the open ride in the Ural tub, I'd find a way to grab your rig, complete.

As far as price- can't help. There really are not any "comps" out there.
Thanks for the kudos!

And yes, I asked about pricing here because there are so few rigs out there anything close to this.
There have been a fair number of GS rigs bought and sold, but not many RT-based outfits running around out there.

Found this 2005 Goldwing/Hannigan combo that sold on ebay for $15,750


http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Honda-G...p2047675.l2557

May be the closest comp I am going to find.
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Old 04-19-2015, 11:46 AM   #8
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If I hadn't already spent a small bunch of money starting to put together a similar rig built on 1100rt I'd make you a serious offer. But since you probably wouldn't take the $50 currently in my bike budget I would love to steal ideas/details for some of your upgrades/modifications. Do you have a build thread or something similar somewhere? If not, do you mind if I send you a ton of questions via PM?

In any case, good luck with the decision making and - if you go that route - potential sale. I'll be a little envious of of any future owner 😄

josh
Josh,
I have been there.
But you could do what I did to finance this rig, fix up and sell the 1100RT for a profit.
I actually ended up with two salvaged R1200RTs and put them back on the road, using the profit from the one I sold to pay for the sidecar.

No, I do not have a build thread, but there are numerous threads/posts with some of my tweaks & mods.
Not sure how relevant some of them will be due to the differences between the oilhead and hexhead models.

Do you have a build thread going?
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:58 PM   #9
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I probably could do that - I haven't put a whole lot (relatively speaking!) into the sidecar - but I will probably stick with what I have at least for a year or so. I was looking at buying a complete rig - even maybe a new Ural - but adding a car to what I had made more financial sense, and I feel like a year into this I'll have likely learned more than if I'd bought something already sorted.

I don't have a build thread either, but I have put up a couple of posts on some little things I've done since getting the car and bike hooked up. (And it looks like you found one already.)

Two things that jumped out at me as good ideas that I would like to know more about are the mods you made to the wiring connector between bike and car, and the mod you did for the "roof" - though I'm thinking about ditching the roof entirely for a homebrew convertible top.

Oh - it's a listing and not sale, but there is/was a K1200LT here in Oregon with a similar Hanningan car. I believe the ask was $25,000. Seemed a little steep to me, but as you said there are not a lot of comps to go from.
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Have just listed the rig for sale.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1066768
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