Should Lane Splitting be legal in all 50 States

[Phat Ham]

Originally Posted by atomicalex

Two pics from Spain (Barcelona)...

Sign indicating that motos should advance to the filter zone..

Barcelona also has lots and lots of motorcycle parking. Definitely a motorcycle friendly city.

[Gummee!]

That law change in Sydney is a start. I'm hoping that we here in the US can point to that and say 'lookit there. It works! Now let US do it.'

M

[ghostryder]

Filter zone, those things should be everywhere.

[khager]

Originally Posted by southwade

Thanks.

Back to business. Z1000 makes a great lane splitting bike, high mirrors, light steering.

High mirrors = bad for lane splitting here in TX. There are no cars here, everybody drives a damn pickup or SUV! You would think with the price of gas people would start buying cars, but I just keep seeing more new pickups.

[southwade]

Originally Posted by khager

High mirrors = bad for lane splitting here in TX. There are no cars here, everybody drives a damn pickup or SUV! You would think with the price of gas people would start buying cars, but I just keep seeing more new pickups.

I remember... hell even I had a pickup when I lived there, lol.

[Human Ills]

Originally Posted by khager

High mirrors = bad for lane splitting here in TX. There are no cars here, everybody drives a damn pickup or SUV! You would think with the price of gas people would start buying cars, but I just keep seeing more new pickups.

When you need a truck, it's nice to have a truck.

[khager]

Originally Posted by Human Ills

When you need a truck, it's nice to have a truck.

Yeah, but a lot of them don't need a truck. Most people use them for commuting only, I know people at work that are single, live in an apartment, and drive a truck, because well everybody else does, and they want to look cool, and that's what people drive here. Then they sit around all day and bitch about the price of gas. One of them even drives 110 miles RT a day in a Chevy 3500 Dually . I suggested maybe a Corolla for commuting, he just looked at me and said I'm a cowboy, I drive a truck, and I wouldn't be seen in one of them deathtraps. OK end of discussion.!

[randyo]

I prefer for it to be legal to pass on double yellow like in Vermont over lane splitting

if I were a more urban or suburban rider, I'd prolly want land splitting as well, but as a rural rider, I never see enuf traffic to lane split with


on the subject of lane splitting in all 50 states, no way, that would mean that traffic laws would be federalized and I prefer each state to decide what is safe in their state, not some bureaucrat from Washington DC

[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by randyo

on the subject of lane splitting in all 50 states, no way, that would mean that traffic laws would be federalized and I prefer each state to decide what is safe in their state, not some bureaucrat from Washington DC

As the thread starter I tend to agree with this. I wish we could get the backbone back in the 10th amendment that was shattered back in the 1800's. Besides there are states that simply do not need lane sharing to be legal. Montana, Wyoming...

I do believe that filtering to the front at stop lights is a very good idea and would save many injured riders from inattentive drivers making them into a motorcycle sammich.

"sammich" is [Klay] approved adv slang so don't even go there.

[PhilB]

Originally Posted by randyo

I prefer for it to be legal to pass on double yellow like in Vermont over lane splitting

if I were a more urban or suburban rider, I'd prolly want land splitting as well, but as a rural rider, I never see enuf traffic to lane split with

on the subject of lane splitting in all 50 states, no way, that would mean that traffic laws would be federalized and I prefer each state to decide what is safe in their state, not some bureaucrat from Washington DC

Now you're talking about methods, which the original post did not go into. I do think that lanesplitting should be legal everywhere, but agree that the federal government should have nothing to do with that issue whatsoever. The motorcyclists in each state should organize and promote the idea locally.

Originally Posted by DAKEZ

As the thread starter I tend to agree with this. I wish we could get the backbone back in the 10th amendment that was shattered back in the 1800's. Besides there are states that simply do not need lane sharing to be legal. Montana, Wyoming...

I do believe that filtering to the front at stop lights is a very good idea and would save many injured riders from inattentive drivers making them into a motorcycle sammich.

I also completely agree with putting teeth back in the 10th Amendment. The states have to do that for themselves (and there are encouraging signs that this is starting to happen). The biggest setback to that, and a *huge* mistake, was the 17th Amendment.

As for "Besides there are states that simply do not need lane sharing to be legal. Montana, Wyoming...", you are operating from the wrong paradigm. It isn't the things a place needs to be legal; they should have to demonstrate a need for something to be illegal before making it so. The default should be that a thing is legal, and only made illegal if the legislators can clearly show that doing so protects the rights of someone, or prevents some from harming or endangering others.

PhilB

[Ginger Beard]

Originally Posted by PhilB

Now you're talking about methods, which the original post did not go into. I do think that lanesplitting should be legal everywhere, but agree that the federal government should have nothing to do with that issue whatsoever. The motorcyclists in each state should organize and promote the idea locally.

I also completely agree with putting teeth back in the 10th Amendment. The states have to do that for themselves (and there are encouraging signs that this is starting to happen). The biggest setback to that, and a *huge* mistake, was the 17th Amendment.

As for "Besides there are states that simply do not need lane sharing to be legal. Montana, Wyoming...", you are operating from the wrong paradigm. It isn't the things a place needs to be legal; they should have to demonstrate a need for something to be illegal before making it so. The default should be that a thing is legal, and only made illegal if the legislators can clearly show that doing so protects the rights of someone, or prevents some from harming or endangering others.

PhilB

[Gummee!]

Originally Posted by PhilB

The default should be that a thing is legal, and only made illegal if the legislators can clearly show that doing so protects the rights of someone, or prevents some from harming or endangering others.

PhilB

Agreed. 100%.

M

[randyo]

I still say passing on double yellow is more important than lane splitting

maybe cause in a day of riding I'll pass on double yellows several times. situations where I would like to filter is something I just never see, even when I do go to the big city, I do it at time of day when traffic is minimal

[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by PhilB

As for "Besides there are states that simply do not need lane sharing to be legal. Montana, Wyoming...", you are operating from the wrong paradigm. It isn't the things a place needs to be legal; they should have to demonstrate a need for something to be illegal before making it so. The default should be that a thing is legal, and only made illegal if the legislators can clearly show that doing so protects the rights of someone, or prevents some from harming or endangering others.

PhilB

BLESS YOU!!!

What happened to the days when the vast majority believed this?

[actionshooter10]

Originally Posted by khager

Yeah, but a lot of them don't need a truck. Most people use them for commuting only, I know people at work that are single, live in an apartment, and drive a truck, because well everybody else does, and they want to look cool, and that's what people drive here. Then they sit around all day and bitch about the price of gas. One of them even drives 110 miles RT a day in a Chevy 3500 Dually . I suggested maybe a Corolla for commuting, he just looked at me and said I'm a cowboy, I drive a truck, and I wouldn't be seen in one of them deathtraps. OK end of discussion.!

I own a truck but do all my commuting on my bike.

+1 on legalizing RESPONSIBLE splitting/filtering.