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Old 01-27-2015, 07:36 AM   #1
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SB5627 – ORV Discover Pass exemption

PLEASE SUPPORT SB5627
DISCOVER PASS REQUIREMENT LANGUAGE CLARIFIED

As many of you know, the Washington State Department of Natural Resources is misapplying the Discover Pass requirement as it relates to dual registered vehicles and saying that if you have a street license plate then you must have a Discover Pass too. The DNR is choosing to ignore the law that says that the Discover Pass is only required if a street plate is required.

To aid the DNR in properly understanding the law, Senator Bailey has taken my proposed legislation and has introduced it as Senate Bill SB5627.

It simply adds “vehicles with a valid offroad vehicle permit at locations where offroad vehicle activity is allowed” to the list of exemptions.

See link:

http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summa...5627&year=2015

As original written, the Discover Pass legislation enacted in 2011 limited the requirement to motor vehicles required to be licensed for street use. The intent was to exempt offroad vehicle where offroad vehicle use is allowed because access to these areas is funded by the purchase of an offroad vehicle (ORV) use permit.

To require the purchase of a Discover Pass in addition to the ORV permit would be charging these vehicle owners twice for the exact same public land access.

This language seemed to be clear and understood by the applicable state agencies. Unfortunately there is confusion when it comes to vehicles that are dual registered as both street legal motor vehicles and offroad vehicles. Because these dual registered vehicles are not required to have street license plates while at ORV use areas, they are exempt from the Discover Pass requirements during that time.

Unfortunately the DNR is misapplying the requirement and claiming that any vehicle with a street license must have a Discover Pass regardless of whether or not the street license is required.

We have in good faith attempted to educate Washington State Commissioner of Public Lands, Peter Goldmark concerning this misapplication of the Discover Pass requirement, but have failed to cause him to change his agency’s erroneous policy. Even after losing in Mason County Superior Court the DNR has refused to change it’s policy.

Hitting that impasse, we are left with no other choice than to seek legislative relief.

It has been assigned to the Senate Natural Resources Committee and if you support it, please let them know.

Their email addresses:

kirk.person@leg.wa.gov
brian.dansel@leg.wa.gov
brian.hatfield@leg.wa.gov
maralyn.chase@leg.wa.gov
mike.hewitt@leg.wa.gov
rosemary.mcauliffe@leg.wa.gov
judy.warnick@leg.wa.gov

You can also add comments that will get to your Legislators by using the “comment on this bill” button on the bill webpage.

http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summa...5627&year=2015


Happy trails,

Tod Petersen
Political Action Chairman - Washington Off Highway Vehicle Alliance
Legislative/Land Use Coordinator – Northwest Motorcycle Association
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:25 PM   #2
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Since there seems to be no interest in this bill on this forum so far, I'd like to get a better understanding on things.

Do any of you buy Discover Passes primarily for uses other than access to Washington State Parks?

Are you aware that if you dual register a vehicle with a Washington State ORV permit in addition to your street plate that you don't need to buy a Discover Pass for that vehicle to use it anywhere that ORV use is legal?

Requiring a Discover Pass for any vehicle that has an ORV permit is the state government charging twice for the exact same access to the same public land.

Did you know that the Washington DNR is ignoring that exemption and do you think that is OK?

If so, support SB5627.

If not, I'd love to hear why
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Old 01-28-2015, 09:13 PM   #3
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Where I live, I have not succumbed to buy a Discover Pass. If HB1192 and 1262 gain traction, that may change. In any event, I will write and ask for support of SB5627.
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Old 01-28-2015, 10:01 PM   #4
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Lets see, it is not that I don't have any interest in this disco pass it is more like wtfover. Trying to figure out if I take my dual sport[KLX] to Walker do I need a disco pass and a orv sticker or one or the other. I have a plated KTM and a XL that is dual registered[sense 09]. I have ORV on a YZ 125, CRF and my trials bike to ride at Walker.

Also I have three quads and a threewheeler[ATC] that only get rode in Oregon. When I go down there I get Oregon off road stickers for them. I like to support the Oregon off road because the LEOs do some thing more than checking to see if you have a sticker. I was talking to a Ranger at Walker one day when some smuck on a quad was doing donuts in the parking lot and told her that would be about $200.00 in oregon. All she said was really and kept on talking. I have been riding in Walker Valley and other places in out state sense 1964 so I have lots of stories. As for the DNR I don't see where they have any reason.

Thanks for what you do down there Tod.
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Old 01-28-2015, 10:40 PM   #5
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Email sent to all.

Thanks for the heads up Tod!
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Old 01-29-2015, 02:37 PM   #6
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Rep. Takko emailed me back and said he would talk to the Dept. about this as it did not seem fair.
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Old 01-31-2015, 09:29 AM   #7
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SB5627 gets a hearing before the Senate Natural Resources Committee Wednesday.

Now is a good time to submit your comments.

I will be there to testify for it.
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Old 02-04-2015, 08:15 AM   #8
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The Senate Natural Resources Committee hearing is today.

Your input matters
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Old 02-04-2015, 09:18 AM   #9
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E-mail of support sent. Thanks Todd.
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Old 02-12-2015, 12:29 PM   #10
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Yesterday SB5627 (ORV Discover Pass exemption) was passed out of the Senate Natural Resources Committee.

Unfortunately it was referred to the Senate Ways & Means Committee.

Their email addresses:

Andy.Hill@leg.wa.gov
John.Braun@leg.wa.gov
Bruce.Dammeier@leg.wa.gov
Jim.Honeyford@leg.wa.gov
James.Hargrove@leg.wa.gov
Karen.Keiser@leg.wa.gov
Kevin.Ranker@leg.wa.gov
Barbara.Bailey@leg.wa.gov
Randi.Becker@leg.wa.gov
Andy.Billig@leg.wa.gov
Sharon.Brown@leg.wa.gov
Steve.Conway@leg.wa.gov
Karen.Fraser@leg.wa.gov
Bob.Hasegawa@leg.wa.gov
Brain.Hatfield@leg.wa.gov
Mike.Hewitt@leg.wa.gov
Jeanne.Kohl-Welles@leg.wa.gov
Steve.Oban@leg.wa.gov
Mike.Padden@leg.wa.gov
Linda.Parlette@leg.wa.gov
Christine.Rolfes@leg.wa.gov
Mark.Schoesler@leg.wa.gov
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this...

But sometimes, I'm a little doopid...

Aside from being frustrated with paying twice, and sometimes 3 times to use my publicly owned land, understanding the use and requirement of the Discover Pass and the ORV pass is confusing to me.

If I have a legally plated (manufactured as street legal) motorcycle, can I purchase an ORV sticker and legally ride both transit roads and ORV trails at say, Capital Forest, or do I have to purchase a Discover Pass?

If I had a choice, I would rather purchase an ORV sticker and support the activity I participate in rather than support activities I'm don't participate in which seems to be what happens with Discover Pass funds.

If I could do this with a street legal dual sport, why couldn't I do this with my street legal 4wd dual sport vehicle?

Not trying to make a commotion, just trying to understand...

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Old 02-14-2015, 08:28 PM   #12
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But sometimes, I'm a little doopid...

Aside from being frustrated with paying twice, and sometimes 3 times to use my publicly owned land, understanding the use and requirement of the Discover Pass and the ORV pass is confusing to me.

If I have a legally plated (manufactured as street legal) motorcycle, can I purchase an ORV sticker and legally ride both transit roads and ORV trails at say, Capital Forest, or do I have to purchase a Discover Pass?

If I had a choice, I would rather purchase an ORV sticker and support the activity I participate in rather than support activities I'm don't participate in which seems to be what happens with Discover Pass funds.

If I could do this with a street legal dual sport, why couldn't I do this with my street legal 4wd dual sport vehicle?

Not trying to make a commotion, just trying to understand...

TT.
If you are in an area when a Discover Pass is required and you are required to have a street plate then a Discover Pass is required.

Exception: No Discover Pass required to ride DNR or WDFW managed roads.

If you have an ORV permit and a street plate is not required to ride where you are at, then no Discover Pass is required.

That also means that if you are using trails or are parked on DNR managed land and you have a street plate, but not ORV permit then a Discover Pass is required.

The law says that only motor vehicles must have a Discover Pass.
For the purpose of the Discover Pass law, motor vehicles are defined as vehicles that are required to have street plates. This is the key to understanding the law.

If a street plate is not required, then neither is the Discover Pass.
This is where the problem lays. The DNR incorrectly enforces the law asserting that if you have a street plate (required or not), then you must have a Discover Pass.
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Old 02-16-2015, 08:34 PM   #13
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Senate Andy Hill is the chairman of the Senate Ways and Means Committee.

He sets the committee agenda.

Please ask him to give SB5627 a hearing.

andy.hill@leg.wa.gov
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Senate Andy Hill is the chairman of the Senate Ways and Means Committee.

He sets the committee agenda.

Please ask him to give SB5627 a hearing.

andy.hill@leg.wa.gov
Still time to contact Senator Hill.
SB5627 needs a hearing this week or it dies.
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:01 AM   #15
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Still time to contact Senator Hill.
SB5627 needs a hearing this week or it dies.
Or call and ask his staff to give him a message.

"Give SB5627 a hearing"

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