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Old Yesterday, 04:02 PM   #1
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Adventure Twins... anyone?

Why does it seem the whole world is waiting for a 400lbs, Twin 600cc - 800cc adventure bike, yet we only have one company (BMW) building one?

Anybody ever try an FZ-07 or FZ-09 engine in a XTZ660 frame?

I guess I will stop shopping for a bike and start looking at MIG welders.
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Old Yesterday, 04:30 PM   #2
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BMW doesn't build a 400lb twin, ADV right?

Triumph builds an 800 triple.



Suzuki builds a 650 twin.



I think the trade off is weight and complexity. Everyone (says they) want a <400lbs, >50HP, long-travel suspension and a frame designed to haul moose quarters out of the woods.

The ADV market segment is pretty small, and most of us don't actually buy what we say we want if / when it is available.

Or you could just buy a DR650 and spend a little money on suspension. Or a 690 Enduro and ride it.

Of course, maybe Honda is really building the rumored, new Africa Twin?
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Old Yesterday, 04:37 PM   #3
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I think everyone says they want one because they've never ridden one.

The number of people willing and able to lay down the cash for something that will cost at least as much as a KTM dwindles.

I would really like to see an MT-09 adventure bike though. Throw that engine on a KTM 690 frame? Eh? Eh?
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Old Yesterday, 05:21 PM   #4
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Yes, forgot about the Tiger.

I guess I just want the frame and suspension of the DR or 690, engine from the VStom or Versys, and a small windshield and the ability to carry some gear...

You suggestions are good. Like I say, maybe I have to make one. Or at least try.

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Old Yesterday, 05:48 PM   #5
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Quote:
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BMW doesn't build a 400lb twin, ADV right? Almost 500lbs

Triumph builds an 800 triple. Almost 500lbs

Suzuki builds a 650 twin. Almost 500lbs (over?)


I think the trade off is weight and complexity. Everyone (says they) want a <400lbs, >50HP, long-travel suspension and a frame designed to haul moose quarters out of the woods.

The ADV market segment is pretty small, and most of us don't actually buy what we say we want if / when it is available.

Or you could just buy a DR650 and spend a little money on suspension. Or a 690 Enduro and ride it.

Of course, maybe Honda is really building the rumored, new Africa Twin?
The DR comes up a little bit short on power.

Although I'd be satisfied with a little less than the 66HP it comes with, I'm seeing the 690 Enduro as being my only viable option right now, and I'd rather have a twin.
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Old Today, 03:25 AM   #6
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500cc twin cylinder (slightly de-tuned Ninja motor), six speed, 21" front wheel, 17" rear wheel, 185 kg/407 lbs

Pity so many places never got them, and that Kawasaki no longer make them.

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Old Today, 03:43 AM   #7
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I'm not pushing my 2008 Versys all that hard yet, but I've done about 2000mi of dirt,forrest service type rds, moderate trails etc. The bike is stock with Avon Distanzia 17" tires.

There are tons of mods available. I paid close to 4K for the bike back in June with 10K on the odo, It's pretty much my go to bike at this time.
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Old Today, 04:06 AM   #8
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I think the versys engine in a stronger frame with 18/21" wheels and decent suspenders would make a great adv bike.
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Old Today, 04:17 AM   #9
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KLR with the Versys engine.......
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Old Today, 05:08 AM   #10
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Yeah, Duh!

Of coure!

Suzuki makes 250cc . That is 416bs. 3.4 gallons.
http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%...50F.aspx#Specs


Honda CB500X is 430lbs. 4.5 gallons.

in ADV MODE it would weigh 465lbs tops.

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Got to face the specs.

Big bore thumper or go home.



Agree with the Mighty DR.
Once you get the ergos set up right, 250+ mile day on tarmac is no prob.
Then for off road riding,

The 21' tyre
10" of suspension that soaks up terrian. More like 8" once you set on her.
8" of ground clearnce after you set on her.
Spoked wheels.
High pegs for ruts to ride through
Dirt bike design
High pipe
Generous torque at low rpms. Love this
KISS engine design SACS, and carb.


The transpo is good to go.

No way Suzuki changes this MC unless epa rules change.

I am well below 200lbs. AND I travel ligbt and . I feel that I am faster than 75% of the cagers out there.

It is basically the more spartan side of the house than the KLR.
which is under powered due to a 435lb wet weight. And is less fuel efficiant and not as smooth on the highway.
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Old Today, 05:24 AM   #11
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Vast majority of buyers want road biased "ADV" bikes, with good load carrying ability. With that comes weight (or use of exotic materials = very high price).

Sure they could make a relatively light, dirt capable twin, that does not really shine on highways, or two up. But they'd just probably not sell them enough.
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Old Today, 05:46 AM   #12
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Honda

Be cool if Honda made a 375cc TRUE adv MC with the New Concept engine design.

21" tyre.
No frunk. 3.7 gas tank in the front and a 3.0 tank in the back. So two openings or gas caps.
Rear opening can still be under the seat.
So you could have a massive tank bag to put lighter fluffy stuff in.
435lbs. . The engine does not have to be as heavy as the 750. That engine is designed for really smooth riding at 100+ miles per hour.

With her low center of gravity, she would handle better than a KLR, but do highway much closer to the CB500X.

The range would be sic.
Maybe 600 miles!
But 500 easy.
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Old Today, 06:27 AM   #13
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Agreed

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Vast majority of buyers want road biased "ADV" bikes, with good load carrying ability. With that comes weight (or use of exotic materials = very high price).

Sure they could make a relatively light, dirt capable twin, that does not really shine on highways, or two up. But they'd just probably not sell them enough.
Too much comprimise. Only about 25% of ADV riders would be interested. Out of those, half are ok with their set up.

The riders who are into compromise are on the KLR and DRs and the XR
THESE MC can be had for well under $4 Large. Uncorked and with plenty of great up grades.
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Old Today, 07:10 AM   #14
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KLR with the Versys engine.......
The Versys engine deserves a much better chassis than that.
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Old Today, 07:32 AM   #15
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Really? ANOTHER thread bemoaning the lack of middle capacity lighter-weight twin-cylinder Adventure bikes?

That's gotta be good for business... http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...1012021&page=2

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