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Old 04-15-2010, 12:29 PM   #1561
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My local Ducati dealer quoted me it will eat up 9 labor hours and 2 pricey belts at every 15,000 mile service.
I just found out that you are required to get that 15,000 mile, $1200-$1300 service at 24 months regardless of mileage. I guess these engines wear even when they aren't running!

Of course, that would only be relevant if you had an extended warranty, since the factory warranty expires at 24 months anyway.
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Old 04-15-2010, 01:03 PM   #1562
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I just found out that you are required to get that 15,000 mile, $1200-$1300 service at 24 months regardless of mileage. I guess these engines wear even when they aren't running!
That might be for the timing belts, as they can deteriorate (rubber) even when not moving.
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:09 PM   #1563
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That might be for the timing belts, as they can deteriorate (rubber) even when not moving.
I guess that might be part of it. But don't most timing belts on other vehicles usually go for like 5 years or 60,000 miles or something like that?

Also, they specify that the valves have to be checked/adjusted every 24 months, regardless of mileage, plus a bunch of other stuff too, I think. I just don't get that.
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:13 PM   #1564
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The other testastrettas have a2 year "limit" on the belts....so that makes since....I guess.
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:23 PM   #1565
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The other testastrettas have a2 year "limit" on the belts....so that makes since....I guess.
Well, it DOES sell a lot of them high-priced belts, anyway.
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:24 PM   #1566
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Old 04-16-2010, 06:08 AM   #1567
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I've got a R1200 GSA at the moment, and have just sold a Triumph 1050 Tiger, so this is shaping up to be a serious contender for it's replacement (cash permitting - I coughed when I heard the price)
The MTS is making my Tiger very uneasy.
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Old 04-16-2010, 06:26 AM   #1568
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I just found out that you are required to get that 15,000 mile, $1200-$1300 service at 24 months regardless of mileage. I guess these engines wear even when they aren't running!

Of course, that would only be relevant if you had an extended warranty, since the factory warranty expires at 24 months anyway.
Most bikes have a time and mileage clause in their service schedule. It's pretty normal that the brake fluid and coolant are replaced every two years. From what I've learned from the local Ducati club members is that the belts can go past 2 years, but should a belt break, you're stranded.

The timing belt in my honda vehicle is rated for 7 years or 100,000 miles. Makes you wonder why not have a longer life belt in the new multi engine.

Well, no one buys a Ducati to save money on service, at least the valve interval is now at 24,000 km. I'm meeting with the Ducati dealer in about a week and we will go over the entire maintenace schedule and I've asked him to price each one for me. I want to have a clear picture of the cost of ownership and then make my decision. I'll also get a test ride
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:34 AM   #1569
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I just found out that you are required to get that 15,000 mile, $1200-$1300 service at 24 months regardless of mileage.
Which is exactly why I called the first time I heard about Ducati's "New Lower Maintenance Cost" propoganda/hogwash. Just how do they figure $1200 every 15k is lower than $600 every 7.5k?

And 9 hours to service???

Me, my inner luddite, and my accountant are quite happy with the sub-$200/sub-3-hour/can-be-done-with-hand-tools-in-the-driveway service requirement of my Multi Classic.
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:39 AM   #1570
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I guess that might be part of it. But don't most timing belts on other vehicles usually go for like 5 years or 60,000 miles or something like that?

Also, they specify that the valves have to be checked/adjusted every 24 months, regardless of mileage, plus a bunch of other stuff too, I think. I just don't get that.
Per the new Ducati Multistrada 1200 Service Tech class, belts are changed at the 5 year mark. They have a video of testing at the Pirelli test track with multiple riders. 25,000 miles logged at full throttle before failure. The failure was the belts and one chain went also. I think that's quite reasonable.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:00 AM   #1571
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I'll break it down AS WRITTEN BY DUCATI in the tech training for the Multistrada:

600 mile service = 1.4 hours
7500 mile (or annual) service = 1.5 which is an oil change
15,000 mile service (no time requirement) = 6 hours which includes the desmo valve service

Coolant and fluids at 36 months/ 3 years
Belts at 60 months/ 5 years

The talk about the 15,000 mile service being required at 24 months is incorrect. What is required at 15,000 or 24 months is the third oil and filter change (600 mile, 7,500 mile, 15,000 mile, etc...). The actual 15,000 mile service including valves has no time requirement - it is at 15K miles.

The fact that the service time for the 15,000 mile service is spec'ed at 6 hours @ flat rate means that it is truly half of the previous service requirement (which was actually spec'ed a little over 6 hours).

Hope this calms some of the fears about 12 hour services - they don't exist.
This is an extremely easy Ducati to service, it was designed very thoughtfully with maintenance in mind.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:34 AM   #1572
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Thanks Stagecoach, this is the kind of CONFIRMED information we need. 5 years on the belts is plenty reasonable.

Any word about the brake bleeding mileage/timeline? (or is that included in the 3 year fluids cycle? Is the ABS brake bleed any more complicated than bleeding regular hydraulic brakes? (used to own a BMW with servo's so I have to ask )

There's no separate transmission oil, right? It's all in one engine?
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:57 AM   #1573
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Thanks Stagecoach for the data from Ducati on the service requirements.

My local Ducatti dealer in Sunnyvale, CA is nice enough to be a little more thorough I suppose, because they let me know they have a 9 hour charge for every MTS 1200 15K service. I'm so happy my dealer is concerned enough about my bike to put in the extra 3 hours over and above what Ducati recommends.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:12 AM   #1574
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Thanks Stagecoach for the data from Ducati on the service requirements.

My local Ducatti dealer in Sunnyvale, CA is nice enough to be a little more thorough I suppose, because they let me know they have a 9 hour charge for every MTS 1200 15K service. I'm so happy my dealer is concerned enough about my bike to put in the extra 3 hours over and above what Ducati recommends.
They try to rip you off (as you seem to know when I read your line correctly). As they tried to rip me off when I wanted to buy an ST1300 from them:

$11999 advertised price ("new" 2007 model, no ABS, last summer)
+ $4500 fees and tax.

OTD price at a different dealer for the same bike was $12799.

I rather ride a Vespa scooter for the rest of my life before I buy anything from them.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:13 AM   #1575
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Thanks Stagecoach, this is the kind of CONFIRMED information we need. 5 years on the belts is plenty reasonable.

Any word about the brake bleeding mileage/timeline? (or is that included in the 3 year fluids cycle? Is the ABS brake bleed any more complicated than bleeding regular hydraulic brakes? (used to own a BMW with servo's so I have to ask )

There's no separate transmission oil, right? It's all in one engine?
Gadget Boy,

Brake bleeding is at 36 months/ 3 years (I would recommend 2 years personally). Bleeding the brakes is as easy as a non-ABS system. No separate transmission oil - all in one.

As a side note - every Multi comes with 3 lock cylinders (the S Touring has 2 already installed in side cases) for a top and sidecases to key the same as the gas cap (no actual keyed ignition, fob only). Of course, you can replace the gas cap with a fob-activated lock unit - so you would only need a key for the bags.

Along with the fob (which has a pop-out key) you receive a back-up "red key" that can activate the ignition when waved over the dashboard. This is not the old red key that, if lost, meant buying a new ECU - merely a back-up. If you have ridden away from your fob after it activated the ignition, the dashboard will warn you that you have exceeded the operational proximity. In that case, ride back or the next time you shut it off, it's off. The back-up solution to that situation is to set a PIN. You can then enter that PIN on the dash to activate the ignition (for 15 seconds after entering the number). So conceivably you don't need a key or fob, but it's a bit of a pain.
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