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Old 03-24-2011, 10:12 PM   #2206
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Huh? What does that have to do with the differences/similarities between the Stelvio and MTS12? . You said they were similar, I don't think they are. Actually, they're not even close.

Given that you owned a Norge, I'm surprised that you'd think the two others were so similar.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:26 AM   #2207
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Huh? What does that have to do with the differences/similarities between the Stelvio and MTS12? . You said they were similar, I don't think they are. Actually, they're not even close.

Given that you owned a Norge, I'm surprised that you'd think the two others were so similar.
They've both got 2 wheels and a handlebar.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:45 AM   #2208
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Huh? What does that have to do with the differences/similarities between the Stelvio and MTS12? . You said they were similar, I don't think they are. Actually, they're not even close.

Given that you owned a Norge, I'm surprised that you'd think the two others were so similar.
And I do think they are. Who gives a flying F?

The point is, many people who are looking at bikes like the Stelvio also look at the MTS, BMW GS, Yamaha S10, etc. TO ME, having both a Stelvio (or GS, or S10, etc.) and the MTS would be too much overlap as I have limited garage space and frankly, FOR ME, my MTS will go/do what I would go/do on those other bikes. That's all I was sayin'.....

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Old 03-25-2011, 12:17 PM   #2209
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They've both got 2 wheels and a handlebar.
and the rider sits on both in an upright manner
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:50 PM   #2210
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PIcking my bike up tomorrow from the reflash. The mechanic told me its running like an animal. His words were WOW! BTW- I have the full Termi on mine so I guess the upgrade is working well for it. I heard a rumor that the upgrade was not doing well on the full Termi bikes.
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:13 PM   #2211
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I'm looking to my next bike (currently Ulysses & S1 Buells) - and having tried both the MST & Tigger 880XC I am not convinced the MST is worth roughly double the price of the 800XC.

Loved the MST and its a fantastic bike but the 800XC has three-quarters of the MST's poke and will be more off-roadable, cheaper to maintain and less likely to get nicked.

I could keep my Uly for the twisties and have a 800XC - or just a MST

Many of you are and have been in the same boat - so why a MST ?

Italian sophistication ? Exotica ? Speed-freakery ? or the desire to be top dog in the 'tall bike' category - look deep inside grasshopper .......

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Old 03-25-2011, 04:59 PM   #2212
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PIcking my bike up tomorrow from the reflash. The mechanic told me its running like an animal. His words were WOW! BTW- I have the full Termi on mine so I guess the upgrade is working well for it. I heard a rumor that the upgrade was not doing well on the full Termi bikes.
Several of us who had our 2010's reflashed have noted getting back a more "hairy chested" bike. Mine has more performance throughout the rev range. I can only imagine what yours will be like with the full Termi.....

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Old 03-25-2011, 09:00 PM   #2213
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Several of us who had our 2010's reflashed have noted getting back a more "hairy chested" bike. Mine has more performance throughout the rev range. I can only imagine what yours will be like with the full Termi.....

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So I may wind up keeping it after all if it runs like a gem.
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Old 03-26-2011, 05:58 AM   #2214
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Many of you are and have been in the same boat - so why a MST ?

Italian sophistication ? Exotica ? Speed-freakery ? or the desire to be top dog in the 'tall bike' category - look deep inside grasshopper .......

Yes......
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:47 AM   #2215
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The dilemma with the MTS1200 in the garage is that the other bikes get neglected. It's the only thing I've ridden since I got it. It's as fast as my 1098, I can push it harder in the corners, and I can comfortably spend an entire day on it. I'm having serious thoughts about trading the 1098 for a Diavel. I was planning on getting the next-generation Ducati superbike, and the Diavel would be something different that might be a lot of fun to ride for a year or so.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:50 AM   #2216
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I'm looking to my next bike (currently Ulysses & S1 Buells) - and having tried both the MST & Tigger 880XC I am not convinced the MST is worth roughly double the price of the 800XC.

Loved the MST and its a fantastic bike but the 800XC has three-quarters of the MST's poke and will be more off-roadable, cheaper to maintain and less likely to get nicked.

I could keep my Uly for the twisties and have a 800XC - or just a MST

Many of you are and have been in the same boat - so why a MST ?

Italian sophistication ? Exotica ? Speed-freakery ? or the desire to be top dog in the 'tall bike' category - look deep inside grasshopper .......
Fair question(s).

Here in the US, the Tigger 800 is just under $11k (MSRP). The MTS Standard which it most compares with is just under $15k (also MSRP). So....40% more $$$, not 100% more $$$,at least not here. For that difference, you get the amazing 1198 superbike motor (tuned for more HP/torque lower in the rev range) which pumps out 50% more HP than the Tigger, but is the same weight (it may even weigh a bit less, but the US site only quotes dry weight for the MTS and wet weight for the Tigger). Also, there is the famous Ducati handling. I haven't ridden the Tigger, but if it can handle like the Duc, it's a winner.

Then there's the whole twin vs. triple thing. Some folks prefer the twin, some the triple. I've ridden the 1050 Tigger many times, and that triple is a gem. I'd expect the lil' Tig to be just as good, but I'm a twin guy mainly due to performance....twins have LOTS of low end grunt, and the MTS is no exception.

Next we come to the techy bits, like DTC and the famous (infamous?) riding modes. Given the 150HP monster of a motor, I'm very happy that I can "tame" the beast for use in urban areas. I wouldn't want to wrestle with a "on/off" throttle and 150HP (which you get in Sport mode) on city streets, so a quick on-the-fly switch to Urban mode and I'm good. Once out on the highway, a switch to Touring (or Sport if I'm feeling the itch) and I've got all 150 ponies on tap for doing battle with cell-phoning, texting, mom-he's-touching-me! cagers intent on killing me through their total lack of concentration while navigating their 4000+ lb vehicles of mass destruction.

Finally, with the desmo engine, the maintenance schedule is very relaxed, with valve adjusts coming every 15k miles. My first service, done at the dealership, was under $200. My BMW and Moto Guzzi were 2x and 3x that, respectively.

In total, I think it's lots of little things that led me to the Duc, the biggest ones being the ergos (it fits me very well), performance, and the flexibility inherent in the riding modes that suit the bike very well to the environments that I ride in 99% of the time (urban to interstate, and everything in between).

Sorry for the long-winded post. In my defense, it was a question that didn't have a "yes/no" answer.

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Old 03-26-2011, 10:56 AM   #2217
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I would love to ride the Diavel and show up with my old breakfast run HD guys!
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:11 PM   #2218
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She sure is purty, Ill say that. Too nice in fact to do what I like to do with my girls.
But can I keep her on the street and still be happy ? Meaning me. Thats what I'm wrestling with right now.
Saying that, I'm this _ close to pulling the trigger on a 2011 Touring.

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Old 03-26-2011, 12:44 PM   #2219
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Good points comparing 800 Tiger (Not XC) to MTS, Sock Monkey.

If a buyer is looking for the 50 so extra horsepower of the MTS, then that makes it easier to lay out the extra $$$ for the MTS.
The tougher decisision is for someone like me:
Sure I'd enjoy the extra ponies, but that comes with replacing rear tires more often, filling the tank more often, a couple hundred in timing belts every 15k, even perhaps paying speeding tickets more often.
For me personally, those extra 50 hp are not a big deal (gosh that sounds odd).
For me the suspension quality/adjustability of the S model is the allure that entices me to spend more. Oops, now comparing a bike that is 80% more $$$. I'm not even going to mention how much I like the looks of the Pikes Peak edition being released soon for just a few grand more. But it's really not that bad, because now when I compare Tiger to the S Touring, Ducati includes panniers, center stand, and heated grips. So maybe 70% more is a better number. Or maybe really a 40% difference after I upgrade the Tiger to Ohlins. Anyway you do it the Ducati always comes out a big chunk of change more.

Sorry I'm sounding like such an economic determinist on a Ducati thread.

So what about covering 400-600 miles in a day of sport touring on my adventure bike? Does the aftermarket offer a MTS seat that allows me to slide forward and back like on the Tiger, instead of being locked in?

What about legroom?

And how many more miles will the Tiger run on a tankful?

Which bike offers less wind buffeting?

How much more $ fixing MTS after falling over?

Will the Triumph be spending less time at the dealer getting fixed?

Heart wants Pike Peak MTS. Wallet wants Tiger 800. Head
Maybe compromise on MTS S Touring...
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Old 03-26-2011, 03:20 PM   #2220
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Good points comparing 800 Tiger (Not XC) to MTS, Sock Monkey.

If a buyer is looking for the 50 so extra horsepower of the MTS, then that makes it easier to lay out the extra $$$ for the MTS.
The tougher decisision is for someone like me:
Sure I'd enjoy the extra ponies, but that comes with replacing rear tires more often, filling the tank more often, a couple hundred in timing belts every 15k, even perhaps paying speeding tickets more often.
For me personally, those extra 50 hp are not a big deal (gosh that sounds odd).
For me the suspension quality/adjustability of the S model is the allure that entices me to spend more. Oops, now comparing a bike that is 80% more $$$. I'm not even going to mention how much I like the looks of the Pikes Peak edition being released soon for just a few grand more. But it's really not that bad, because now when I compare Tiger to the S Touring, Ducati includes panniers, center stand, and heated grips. So maybe 70% more is a better number. Or maybe really a 40% difference after I upgrade the Tiger to Ohlins. Anyway you do it the Ducati always comes out a big chunk of change more.

Sorry I'm sounding like such an economic determinist on a Ducati thread.

So what about covering 400-600 miles in a day of sport touring on my adventure bike? Does the aftermarket offer a MTS seat that allows me to slide forward and back like on the Tiger, instead of being locked in?

What about legroom?

And how many more miles will the Tiger run on a tankful?

Which bike offers less wind buffeting?

How much more $ fixing MTS after falling over?

Will the Triumph be spending less time at the dealer getting fixed?

Heart wants Pike Peak MTS. Wallet wants Tiger 800. Head
Maybe compromise on MTS S Touring...
coast range rider & sock monkey - Good replies ............. the kind of reasonings I was after. Because I have the same dillema & need it explaining back to me.
I thought about doing a decison matrix with score for bhp & off-roadability, depreciation, fuel use, fun - but I think if we are all completely honest, when a bike enthusiast (as opposed to a commuter or Pirate) buys a new bike from the heart - not the head. Does that make sense?
The last new bike I bought was a KLR - it was bought with the head - cheap, reliable, economic - but I hated it & it nearfly killed my enthusiasm. Luckily I discovered Buells which put e back on track. Trust your heart.
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