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Old 06-14-2012, 08:06 AM   #3211
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I know this'll be considered heresy by the faithful - but the engine did nothing for me.

There seems to be some doubt among the faithful about the non-performance charms of the Multi 12. Some say it retains all the usual Ducati appeal, others that the appeal is weaker.

My own brief test-ride, hard to tell. And that was after stepping off an S4Rs, which has bucketloads of Ducati charm, IMO. The Multi's motor felt eerily similar to the 998 Testastretta in the Monster, but somewhat muted, reminiscent of a good wine past its peak. However, I am talking 10km escorted around suburban streets, so to draw conclusions would be foolhardy.

Nevertheless, count me among the doubters. It represents a serious concern I have about giving up the S4Rs for a Multi, which in other respects would be a much better fit for my requirements.
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:15 AM   #3212
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Oddly enough - it made me want to try out one of the 1100 EVO Monsters. That's supposed to have charm by the bucket load..
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:27 AM   #3213
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It occurs to me that part of the issue for the Multi 12 could be that it has so much grunt that in typical real-world cruising, you don't need enough throttle to let the charm out.

I've not tried the 1100 air-cooled in a Monster. For solo riding, by most accounts a fabulous choice.
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:31 AM   #3214
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It occurs to me that part of the issue for the Multi 12 could be that it has so much grunt that in typical real-world cruising, you don't need enough throttle to let the charm out.

I've not tried the 1100 air-cooled in a Monster. For solo riding, by most accounts a fabulous choice.

one thing i like is that even though it has way more power/grunt than you can use on the roads you can still do the real slow stuff without it being a buckin broco like i have found on some other powerhouse bikes.
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Old 06-14-2012, 09:06 AM   #3215
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My own brief test-ride, hard to tell. ....However, I am talking 10km escorted around suburban streets, so to draw conclusions would be foolhardy.
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The Multi's motor felt eerily similar to the 998 Testastretta in the Monster, but somewhat muted, reminiscent of a good wine past its peak
Yet you are drawing conclusions in your post.

Puttering around on local streets with a superbike motor strapped under you isn't a test ride, it's a waste of fuel. I realize it wasn't your choice, but you really need to spend a couple hours on a Multi on varying roads (superslab, twisties, back roads and dirt tracks) if you can. I think you'll find the charm and character you're looking for. Be sure to put it in Sport mode, get to about 5k rpm, and give the throttle a good twist. You pick the gear. You'll find out pretty quickly that the bike isn't like wine at all, but more like White Lightening....goes down like fire and makes your eyes bulge. If you want wine, buy a BMW.

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Old 06-14-2012, 07:28 PM   #3216
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Yet you are drawing conclusions in your post.
Not at all, just reporting an impression.

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Puttering around on local streets with a superbike motor strapped under you isn't a test ride, it's a waste of fuel. I realize it wasn't your choice, but you really need to spend a couple hours on a Multi on varying roads (superslab, twisties, back roads and dirt tracks) if you can. I think you'll find the charm and character you're looking for.
Of course, if possible - and it may be. But this is the internet age, so it is good to get the opinions of others with direct experience. Thanks for yours.

If you'd care to elaborate, I'm all ears.

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Be sure to put it in Sport mode, get to about 5k rpm, and give the throttle a good twist. You pick the gear. You'll find out pretty quickly that the bike isn't like wine at all, but more like White Lightening....goes down like fire and makes your eyes bulge. If you want wine, buy a BMW.

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I've no doubts whatsoever about the performance potential. It was perfectly clear even from the suburban test ride that the Testa 11 engine had way more grunt than my S4Rs could deliver. The big question for me is about the level of engagement when you are merely rolling along. For me, that is a key reason for owning a Ducati: plenty of bikes offer great performance when you're pushing it; few combine that with real pleasure when you're not.
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Old 06-14-2012, 10:02 PM   #3217
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i think the MTS12's motor feels almost lifeless and appliance like, and which should not to be confused with how it actually performs.
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:22 AM   #3218
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I think you have just hit the nail on the head. It's a remarkable unit. Very civil. Very powerful. I just liked playing with the throttle on the Tiger 1050 more.
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:20 AM   #3219
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This should be over here.....

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Old 06-15-2012, 06:51 AM   #3220
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Is there going to be a smaller MTS? 848 or so?
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:30 AM   #3221
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I hope there will be an 848 Herc this I great...
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:35 AM   #3222
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Is there going to be a smaller MTS? 848 or so?
There are rumours and speculation about it...but I doubt we'll see anything like that in the near future.

Here is some of the discussion....looks like a hyper to me http://www.ducati.ms/forums/44-multi...py-photos.html
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:54 AM   #3223
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The stock exhaust on the Multi 1200 doesn't really let it sing. With the full Termingoni race system it growls and comes alive; a very different visceral experience.

That said, the air-cooled Ducati twins simply have more personality. They're more agricultural, but they have more snap right off throttle than the water-cooled Duc's, and you can use the full range of power almost anywhere. It's very hard to wring out half the engine performance of the Multi 1200 on the street.

As much as I want a Panigale, I've noticed I spend more time on my BMW HP2 Sport than my Multistrada, even though the Multi is more comfortable. The reason is I prefer the HP2 is because I can push it's envelope. It's more fun to ride a less powerful bike 9/10's than a Panigale 5/10's.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:08 AM   #3224
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There are rumours and speculation about it...but I doubt we'll see anything like that in the near future.

Here is some of the discussion....looks like a hyper to me http://www.ducati.ms/forums/44-multi...py-photos.html
There is a few threads on here about it, looks to me like it might be a smaller Multi the nose is not quite Hyper but not really Multi either and there is the stronger sub frame for bags and what looks like and water cooled 848 motor. Ducati needs to build a more dirt orientated sub-liter bike if they want to compete with the likes of KTM, BMW and Triumph
I for one would love to have a modern dirt orientated replacement for my Gran Canyon!!

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Old 06-15-2012, 09:20 AM   #3225
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I've no doubts whatsoever about the performance potential. It was perfectly clear even from the suburban test ride that the Testa 11 engine had way more grunt than my S4Rs could deliver. The big question for me is about the level of engagement when you are merely rolling along. For me, that is a key reason for owning a Ducati: plenty of bikes offer great performance when you're pushing it; few combine that with real pleasure when you're not.

If you'd care to elaborate, I'm all ears.
Fair points, and the same goes for Oalvarez's comments, although rather than "lifeless" I'd call it "civil", especially for a superbike motor.

What's amazing (to me) about the Multi is how it's personality can change. I've said it many times before, but it bears repeating: The "modes" aren't a gimmick, they dramatically change the character of the machine. On my commute home yesterday, I was in 5th gear purring along the slab at about 75mph, the motor turning 4k revs. I couldn't even tell it was running. Glass smooth, and just floating along (Touring mode, suspension set for a firm but compliant ride). But add another 1k revs to get the bike into it's "happy zone", and you start getting some feeling of the beast beneath you. Give a twist from that rev level, and the bike responds like a caged animal, especially in Sport mode. You no longer question if you're sitting on a Goldwing or a liter class sport bike.

I've also said this before: If folks want "character" from low revs to high and really feel like they're on a MACHINE, try a Moto Guzzi, or if it's your thing, a Harley. Moto Guzzi's are sometimes referred to as "Italian Harleys", and after owning one and riding a few others, as well as touring on a few Harleys, I'd have to agree. There isn't any point at which you don't feel those bikes.

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