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Old 01-17-2010, 10:44 AM   #961
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I was less impressed than I expected. The bike has a few vulnerable, trip stopping parts, and is cramped. Might make a great street bike, but I doubt it is really suited for adventure riding.

Just my impression!

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Jim, are you trying to say it's not really a direct competitor to the 1200GSA, 1200HP2, F800GS, 990 Adventurer, 950SE... Is this "1198 on stilts" really more of a road based adv alternative, omigod say it ain't so...

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Old 01-17-2010, 10:50 AM   #962
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Jim, are you trying to say it's not really a direct competitor to the 1200GSA, 1200HP2, F800GS, 990 Adventurer, 950SE... Is this "1198 on stilts" really more of a road based adv alternative, omigod say it ain't so...

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Depends on your skills, your willingness to take risks, and your ability to armor up the vulnerabilities.

I still think it has potential for those who do not do any serious off road riding.

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Old 01-17-2010, 11:10 AM   #963
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I'm super pleased with what they've done from a standpoint of paved road/dirt road balance - they managed to make just about exactly what I want. If only it weren't so ugly. I agree that it looks to be a street bike, probably one that will be a bit more competent than most on poorly paved or dirt roads, but a road bike nonetheless and that suits me perfectly.
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Old 01-17-2010, 11:40 AM   #964
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A lot of people have described the new MTS as being ugly........ but I don't see it.
Beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder & all that but anyone who thinks it ugly please explain & give an example of what a beautiful dual sport bike looks like. No razz intended just interested
Ticks all the boxes for me - except the price.

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Old 01-17-2010, 12:13 PM   #965
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I can't find a part on it that looks good. The old MTS at least looked ok if you ignored the front 1/3rd of it

The beak is just weird and it lacks any sort of unity or cohesive design. The trellis front, cast mid and plastic-looking tail sections don't really flow like the old all-trellis system did.

As for bikes that look good, the 916 is a good example of plastic done properly, the monster S2R is a great example of a clean naked bike, the honda 919 and 599 are good examples as well, the hypermotard is an ok example of a more angular and plasticy naked bike, the first Gen SV650S and TL1000S are ok examples of quirky frames and semi-fairings. I'm not crazy about the looks of the streetfighter, but its better than this. The (more exposed) trellis frame gives a bit more unified look and although still too busy its not as busy as this monstrosity.

Anyhow, like you say its all in the eyes of the beholder and in my eyes its one uninspiring bike to look at. All that said I'll probably still buy one in about a year - hopefully I'll find one that's already had some of that fugly plastic crashed off so I can set about tidying things up (not that there's a ton of potential with that goofy looking frame design).

Still, if the old MTS can be made to look like this, perhaps there's hope
http://www.kaemna.de/pic/tuning//multijokisch_025.jpg
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:29 PM   #966
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A lot of people have described the new MTS as being ugly........ but I don't see it.
Beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder & all that but anyone who thinks it ugly please explain & give an example of what a beautiful dual sport bike looks like. No razz intended just interested
Ticks all the boxes for me - except the price.

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Old 01-17-2010, 01:23 PM   #967
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Perhaps the F800GS, but with the 1200MS base, base with abs, and the two Sport models, they're in the same ballpark as the boxer series, with their base GS and up pricing... I don't think anyone expected a 1198 based Multi, to be a budget alternative in the adv class.

Get over it, and buy one paul thompson !
Or don't bring your wallet, to the spring's demo days...

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Will be testing one as soon as possible. Word has it the bike is selling well in the UK. More public interest in this than the new VFR anyway...
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Old 01-17-2010, 01:58 PM   #968
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What's all the bullshit about its offroad ability? How many GS riders take their bikes much further off road than a well groomed forest service road? There is nothing wrong with that. When I bought my GS-Adv, I swapped the TKCs for Tourances when it was delivered. Yes, there are people who ride their GSes in conditions where they really don't belong but so do sportbike riders. Have any of you seen those photos of Shogani's K1100RS in mud that looks impassable?

What I think is almost absurd about the MTS1200 is the engine. The 1198 engine already makes an absurd amount of torque. The idea that it has been retuned to make more torque boggles my mind. If you've ever ridden a twinspark MTS1100, that is an impressive mill. I think Ducati has implemented all the electronics to keep people from looping it.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:51 PM   #969
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It's odd now that the BMW GS is now one of the "cheap" options.

Ummmmm ... throw out some numbers, Amigo. I'm not seeing any R1200GS pricing at the official website but I was thinking that an Adventure with accessories would run around 20K.

An HP2 Megamoto is $20.5K plus $1K for antilock.

I've got two older GS's and am not really in the market for an R12GS but was telling SWMBO'd tonight that the Ducati "really" wasn't that out of line compared to BMW costs.

Think she'll buy it?
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:58 PM   #970
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$14,750

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$20,520

Look at the base model, then add comparrable costs for upgrades.

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Old 01-17-2010, 03:40 PM   #971
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Isn't "base model BMW" synonymous to "sasquatch"?

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Old 01-17-2010, 06:37 PM   #972
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Isn't "base model BMW" synonymous to "sasquatch"?


"Unobtanium"

There aren't too many stripper GS's out there and the temptation to farkle is strong.

I suspect that the high end MS will be pretty much ready to roll for most of us and will come with bags.

We'll see.
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:56 PM   #973
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JVB: What are these vulnerable, trip-stopping parts you reference? And how are they protected in the GS?

I'm eagerly awaiting selling my GS and the arrival of the MTS. Looks-wise...riding the GS I look down and see the ugly plastic and aluminum covers...over a ton of wasted space in there. Why did they make them that voluminous? To me it earns the bike true 'pig' status...wasted space.

But to each there own.

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Old 01-18-2010, 07:56 AM   #974
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JVB: What are these vulnerable, trip-stopping parts you reference? And how are they protected in the GS?

I'm eagerly awaiting selling my GS and the arrival of the MTS. Looks-wise...riding the GS I look down and see the ugly plastic and aluminum covers...over a ton of wasted space in there. Why did they make them that voluminous? To me it earns the bike true 'pig' status...wasted space.

But to each there own.

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First off, and most obvious, is the water pump (I assume) on the left side with the hoses going into it. One drop, not even hard, on a hard surface and you will crack the housing. Hit it hard and it will break off.






The exhaust pipe is completely exposed, as are several pices of plastic. While the GS is not 100% free if danger, these are pretty prominent on the Duc.

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Old 01-18-2010, 09:47 AM   #975
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Jim,
Since I haven't seen it live, would a set of crashbars solve the issues, and how would they hook at the bottom of the engine? Hepco Becker made them for Elefants, and they worked.
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