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Old 03-25-2009, 05:47 AM   #2926
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Visibility

Visibility is in the eye of the beholder.

If they don't see you, they don't see you. It makes no difference why they didn't see you, they didn't see you. End of story.

The only thing you can do is believe that they will not see you, and be ready for what they may do. How can you know what they may do, when chances are they do not know what they will do.
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:54 AM   #2927
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After a study on visable color, many fire departments went with the Lime Green.
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:51 AM   #2928
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This type of accident happens to car drivers all the time. You cannot see down a live of cars.
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:07 AM   #2929
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There are hundreds of individual anecdotes about bright colors being seen or not seen, but the best information in the motorcycle collision study that I've seen came out of Europe. (sorry, don't have link handy, it was in another thread, gotta get ready for work...)

Conclusion after examining lots of accidents: Yes, high-vis colors and headlights make a difference.

In frontal accidents (car pulls out in front) the color of the motorcycle and the riders apparel made little difference. What mattered was helmet color, that's what stood out. Accidents from the rear and the side were a different matter.

Bottom line to all of that was that yes, you could significantly reduce your chances of being in an collision by increasing your visibility. Most effective measures were wearing a high-vis helmet (white or better) and having your lights on. Cumulative improvement by adopting all common measures was 40 some-odd-percent.

All that arm waving aside, they probably wouldn't have helped DP in this situation... crossing the front of a line of stopped cars you must assume someone or something is going to enter your lane.
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:27 AM   #2930
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wow Peach, you never seize to surprise me with your positive attitude on everything. Good on ya girl

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Old 03-25-2009, 07:29 AM   #2931
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a quick visual awareness test, maybe the bear should have worn a white helmet ?
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:38 AM   #2932
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What about ATGATT? I will bet that some would not even notice this !
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:42 AM   #2933
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:44 AM   #2934
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After a study on visable color, many fire departments went with the Lime Green.
Several cities around here went lime or white some years ago and the number of accidents involving engines didn't decrease--and worse, instead of "I didn't see it" they got "I didn't know it was a fire truck"

And now they are repainting them traditional BRT
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Old 03-25-2009, 08:18 AM   #2935
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I have been following this thread and think it is great.

Great job with the pics, and prayers for a speedy recovery.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:37 AM   #2936
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An argument for black

I think the reality is often (not always) that when a driver says, "I didn't see the motorcyclist" he should have said, I saw the motorcyclist, but underestimated his closing speed or I figured he'd be able to avoid hitting me. In those situations, I don't see how high-visibility gear makes any difference.

Indeed, I think high-visibility gear might make the driver perceive the motorcyclist as a defensive rider. On the other had, black leather makes the rider seem more aggressive. Which rider do you think a driver is more likely to look at and think, "he should be able to avoid hitting me?"

Besides, black leather is much cooler.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:46 AM   #2937
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I think the reality is often (not always) that when a driver says, "I didn't see the motorcyclist" he should have said, I saw the motorcyclist, but underestimated his closing speed or I figured he'd be able to avoid hitting me. In those situations, I don't see how high-visibility gear makes any difference.

Indeed, I think high-visibility gear might make the driver perceive the motorcyclist as a defensive rider. On the other had, black leather makes the rider seem more aggressive. Which rider do you think a driver is more likely to look at and think, "he should be able to avoid hitting me?"

Besides, black leather is much cooler.
Screw it, my bike is high viz, so I can wear black and look hawt

Though...not as hot as TDP
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:49 AM   #2938
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Screw it, my bike is high viz, so I can wear black and look hawt

Though...not as hot as TDP

Umm.....pics?
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Old 03-25-2009, 10:08 AM   #2939
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Umm.....pics?
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Old 03-25-2009, 10:10 AM   #2940
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Question Did'ja hear on your wrist visit yet?

Peach- Been keeping track of your recovery- did you hear from the docs about the wrist? Best wishes for you in your recovery. And very sorry to hear about the insurance news. Take care.
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