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Old 03-08-2012, 10:50 PM   #46
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The damper also wears and can not be serviced.....which was the point of the 40k kms bulletin.
Again, I don't believe it. If wear at 40K Km (about 24K miles) were real half of the R12GS owners on this site would have already had a replacement. I'd be on my 3rd unit. Hasn't happened.
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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 PM   #47
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The damper also wears and can not be serviced.....which was the point of the 40k kms bulletin.
My rear ESA damper was blown on 30.000 km (18.750 miles). It was replaced under warranty.

But actually, it could be serviced. BMW refused to service it because it costs much more for them. But if you are already out-of-warranty then any good specialist could service / rebuild it.
For example: Wilbers with their WESA or in Germany, HH Racetech (http://www.hh-racetech.com). The HH Racetech is really interesting since their price tag ist about 40-50% cheaper than WESA / Wilbers but the results are excellent (even a bit better than Wilbers).

Another alternative: Öhlins ESA (http://www.ohlins.eu/en/products/OeH...GS-ESA--27529/). It's a good alternative to BMW ESA, in case you have to replace them and you are already out-of-warranty. It costs 2900 EUR and about the same (some eur cheaper) than the BMW ESA and of course it is the ultimate ESA out there!
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Old 03-09-2012, 12:19 AM   #48
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"a bike worth 20k should not break after 60k. "

a bike with 37000 miles on it prolly isn't worth 20K anymore, even less with busted bits
35k kms, thats 22k miles
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:09 AM   #49
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"a bike worth 20k should not break after 60k. "

a bike with 37000 miles on it prolly isn't worth 20K anymore, even less with busted bits


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Old 03-09-2012, 01:51 PM   #50
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My rear ESA damper was blown on 30.000 km (18.750 miles). It was replaced under warranty.
Different damper. He's talking about the damper integral to the drive shaft, not anything to do with the shock.
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:00 PM   #51
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There is a difference between out of specification replace per service schedule , and riding until failure.

They could make the bikes more durable if they chose to. The marketing from my pov seems to be,
make them good enough, but not too good if you catch my meaning.

Is it a mystery the newer BMWs ~2000+ break in spectacular ways and the older ones didn't ?
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:22 PM   #52
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Is it a mystery the newer BMWs ~2000+ break in spectacular ways and the older ones didn't ?
No mystery, revenue generator. Design it so it is not user serviceable then when it wears out due to lack of service, break it off in the user for the replacement for the so called "life time" parts that failed prematurely.
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:05 PM   #53
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I got it from the gentleman in Germany who runs this site.....he is very knowledgeable about all things on 2 wheels.

http://www.zabernet.de/bill/tuning.html

as I recall there was a german dealer memo which stated it. I think I posted it several years ago....on ADV.
This was when I was interested in riding a BMW......I did my research and punted. The integral damper and drive shaft
is a maintenance item, to be replaced at 40k kms.

I'm a chain drive with a scottoiler person now....
That is a bunch of bunk. There are tens of thouseands of R1200 bikes out there with perfect driveshafts after 50K MILES. Unless you can give some factory back-up to your assertion, you are giving poor advice, and spreading unfounded rumors.

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Old 03-10-2012, 05:42 PM   #54
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The driveshaft is supposed to be changed at 40k kms as a maintenance item....
though i believe this factoid rarely traveled out of Germany.
Im gonna ride as much as I can and take my bike in the dealership at 40 k kms and see if we can argue about weather my driveshaft gets changed as per maintenence item or replace it under warranty
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I think that someone has been smoking the good stuff..............

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I got it from the gentleman in Germany who runs this site.....he is very knowledgeable about all things on 2 wheels.

http://www.zabernet.de/bill/tuning.html

as I recall there was a german dealer memo which stated it. I think I posted it several years ago....on ADV.
This was when I was interested in riding a BMW......I did my research and punted. The integral damper and drive shaft
is a maintenance item, to be replaced at 40k kms.

I'm a chain drive with a scottoiler person now....
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:01 PM   #56
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Is it a mystery the newer BMWs ~2000+ break in spectacular ways and the older ones didn't ?
Not really. Older BMW use to have 45-60 HP. They have double that now....
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:20 PM   #57
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Yes, but the 120hp BMW models are completely new designs....not
more hp on the older model design.

Goldwings are also single sided swingarms : without the history of unpredictable final drive failures etc...
Wing owners don't feel any need to change their final drive oil twice a year....
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:30 PM   #58
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Yes, but the 120hp BMW models are completely new designs....not
more hp on the older model design.
I'm sorry. I though we were talking about driveshaft....
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Old 03-11-2012, 12:32 AM   #59
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67000K and mine started to fall apart

The front universal joint on my 2008 12GS



Not good enough for a non servicable component.
Specially taking into account the possible consequences of run to failure.

I hope my new Super Tenere proves to be more reliable. I have given up on BMW.
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Old 03-11-2012, 06:05 AM   #60
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Goldwings are also single sided swingarms : without the history of unpredictable final drive failures etc...
Wing owners don't feel any need to change their final drive oil twice a year....
Well.... Honda put a new FD on my wing when the original went titts up at 65K... and I did change the fluid as per scheduled.

Not as common as on the GS but Wings do have failures too. Difference is, it's detectable on the Wing long before critical meltdown.
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