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Old 11-16-2008, 03:34 AM   #76
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'by any means' was just screened on uk TV and it was really good, not as good as LWR but miles better than LWD. charley boreman is a regular bloke with a regular lads sence of humor and he isnt so full of his own importance. he and russ malkin made a good series and for me the lack of ewan was for the benefit of the show. there was also none of the corporate sponsorship and product placement. from the viewers point of view it was 3 guys with their suitcases. it dit start off on 3 classic bikes

watchin the current rerun of LWD shows just how much of it was about Ewan. in fact the first time it was shown we refered to it as the ewan mcgregor show. it was ewans brother, ewans dad, ewans mum, ewan visits the starwars set, ewans wife emburdens herself on the project and charley was left in the background like a spare prick at a wedding, this probably wasnt ewans doing but the TV producers wanting to maximise on the target audience being ewan mcgregor fans and not necessarily bikers.

i also agree that claudio was an important part of the LWR. where would we be without an eccentric swiss bloke , you have to love em. we should write a pettition for a claudio show.

by anymeans had an english camera man called 'mungo' but he injured his leg, his grandfather died and he had to fly home and was replaced by the production assistant.

just p**es me off i only get 26days holiday so my trips are kind of restricted
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Old 11-16-2008, 04:15 AM   #77
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Long Way Round was just fantastic.It is my favourite movie.Actually LWR is one of the reasons why I love motorcycles.And the bikes (BMW R 1150 GSA) are me favoutite bikes
LWD was made just becuase they wanted to do a second movie,not becuase they wanted to ride (that's my oppinion) Another thing i did't understand was why did't they use F 800 GS - it's lighter,better for riding in sand.
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:51 PM   #78
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I wasn't a fan of By Any Means at all.

I'm a huge fan of LWR and the 10 episode version of LWD (liked the short version, but it was nowhere near as good as the extended on, which I think may have been even better than LWR toward the end, once they got the whining about sheduling out of the way). I like both Ewan and Charley, Russ too. I loved Race to Dakar.

So I was looking forward to By Any Means, but I found myself bored by it all. I didn't really see the point in it...the contrived device about racking up as many modes of transport was silly, I mean, they were differentiating modes of transport by make of car and bus. There was no adventure aspect at all, everything being completely setup in advance and yet there was no real interesting stuff about the places they were travelling through to make it an enjoyable programme about the countries and locations.

I watched it all, but I stuggled and the episodes seemed to drag on and on.
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:04 PM   #79
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How many hundreds of supporters will they have this time?

Speaking of that how did those guys do it on bicycles without a whole crew and taking twice as long! Now thats an adventure (not that I woud enjoy that in the least but I give them lots of credit) Do you see how almost anemic those riders looked! They must be tough, especially in that heat!
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:37 PM   #80
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I'm a big fan and I'll watch the new one over and over just because it something fun. I agree with most of what's been said, it's way better than most other drivel on the boob tube these days, and as one person said if you don't like it watch the other motorbike shows (which don't exist).

The whole argument over what should and should not be included or who gets the face time is irrelevant. They need some point to focus on to sell the show, in the first one it was international movie star Ewan, with an unknown buddy. In Dakar, Charley was a new familiar face, so he received the bulk of the face time. This to me is just common sense, use your marketable entity to sell the product.

I can't wait for the next one.

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Old 11-27-2008, 07:14 AM   #81
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I'm just glad there is SOMETHING to watch that has motorcycles in it. I really liked LWR, enjoyed RTD and was reasonably pleased with LWD. I'll watch whatever else they come up with - and it's certainly better than watching Friends re-runs.

And after watching all three series, my wife wants to ride with me more and doesn't give me "that look" when I talk about what bike to buy next.

Lastly, give Ewan a break. After LWR, he went back to Mongolia and adopted one of those homeless kids. That's a MAN for ya, in my opinion.
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Old 11-27-2008, 10:20 AM   #82
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I'm very surprised by the amount of negative comments about both projects.

As many have said, ultimately most of us would give a finger for the opportunity to be wealthy or famous enough to pull off that kind of trip. Yes, there are some who have done more on less, but there aren't many.

I would further suggest that most of the criticism stems from the viewing of only the films, and not the books. Most of the posts I have read knocking Ewan and Charlie reference the films as they portray them.

An example of this:
On another board, there was many posts knocking Ohlins because their shocks blew out in the early stages of the trip. What many did not know, because they only saw the shortened movie release, is in fact the crew blew out a total of 5 shocks, 3 Ohlins and 2 BMW stockers. While this still looks bad for Ohlins, its a clear demonstration that the conditions of the trip were hard on the bikes, and most shocks would probably not have lasted the whole trip. but because the films only included the information about the Ohlins, it makes that company's shocks look bad.

My point is, its really hard to form an opinion of the two, as the films (and even books) represent a small amount of the time actually spent on the trip. What may seem like whining for a majority of the tv series may actually represent 1/1000 of the time spent in country. For all we know, the other 999/1000 of the time, the boys were all smiles.

Further, I can't hold a grudge about the "more commercial" nature of the 2nd trip, as that was bound to happen. The more popular something becomes, the more corporations take notice and the more they are willing to part with money to get a piece of the action. While I agree that this has a detrimental effect of the validity of the work in progress, I think that the ends justify the means. As others have said, the trips have a lot to do with furthering the causes of UNICEF and other children's charities. Without these films, a lot of us (including myself) would have absolutely no knowledge of the fine work of this organization. And as Ewan said, he didn't care what others thought of his promotion of the cause, he wanted to do it for the kids. If anyone had doubts about his sincerity, he did go back and adopt a mongolian girl.

Really, when it comes to any kind of work of art, whether it be film or music, photography, etc; there will always be those who criticize because they can't, or because they can do better. Most here are the former, not the latter. If Ewan and Charlie do end up in my neck of the woods (S.F. bay area) i'll be there, no matter what.
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Old 11-27-2008, 11:00 AM   #83
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Yup, there is a lot on ongoing debate and commentary about the series.

It's easy to forget but it is a reality show at the end of the day and meant for entertainment. It's not a documentary, even though it does come off this way at times.

To be more interesting, any series has to create conflict. That's why they dramaticize certain events. The tough riding in Monglolia? Sure it's wet and slippery and the bikes are heavy, but it's for only a day or three on a three month trip. It is also one of the most interesting parts of the series. But I can guarantee you that there were many other sections that were as challenging or more in different ways. They may have edited them out, maybe didn't get good film, or it didn't make as good of a story.

The shocks? Actually a little under represented as mentioned as many an Ohlin shock has died in Northern Kenya on the Moyale to Marsabit route. The fact is that the suspension on the 1200 has been suspect for a long time and the Ohlins are prone to failure. If you don't believe me, ask someone like Helge Peterson who is pretty open about stating that fact, and he is indeed sponsored by them. None of the guys that I rode with or met in Africa who had an assortment of different bikes had any rear shock failures, not one.

Couple of additonal things, I met a few guys along the way who had a chance to interact with them on either of the trips. Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, they are both really decent blokes, friendly, helpful and outgoing. At the end of the day they act like your everyday biker that you would meet on a long trip. I'm not sure I would be as kind putting up that sort of attention everyday so they certainly deserve a lot of slack.

Now that the cat's out of the bag and they are promoting the trip dates, I doubt that for security reasons that they'll be able to go back to a lean crew like in the first series. Africa is dangerous, but they'll be going through places like Colombia in South America as well and in a lot of places, the risk of kidnaping etc. is pretty high.
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Old 11-27-2008, 11:46 AM   #84
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I like to travel by bike. I make photos and sometime a Video. But I didn't
believe that anyone will see me riding through Iceland or Romania.

I love to see this Travel Bike Movies. And that's it...

Not a religion, a misson, a "must" to do the same.

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Old 11-27-2008, 12:05 PM   #85
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you know what i loved LWR and liked LWD (not a big fan of the wifey going along) and im really looking forward to LWU my only problem is they arent going all the way up i agree with you guys they should go to purdhoe bay it would just make sense. and your totally right novaboy Ewan isnt a pro and neither am i so i like the fact hes putting forth the effort, god knows we've all biffed and i certainly know i have, on a paved track (NHIS) and trails and most recently the TLH.
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Old 11-28-2008, 05:58 PM   #86
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Well, I for one am happy they are going to make another series - the previous have been quite entertaining. I must say that I agree with some here that California is only "The Long Way *Half*way up"... I also know that Charlie also reads these forums so... Charlie, I know you are reading this... dinner is on me when you get to British Columbia - continue the "up" and go all the way to Inuvik - even though you covered most that that boring highway on the LWR!
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:20 PM   #87
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Does anyone else remember a previous discussion By Ewan regarding not going all the way up? I seem to remember seeing it somewhere, but cannot put my finger on it. But I do remember that at first they were going up to north Alaska, but then decided not to do so.
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:41 PM   #88
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I just finished reading Lois on the Loose. Would like to have a film of the adventures she had riding all the way through the Americas.
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Old 11-29-2008, 04:23 AM   #89
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half way up

On the Long Way Down they started in John O'Groats, but in my opinion they should have started at the North Cape. So, It will be the same with Long Way Up, they don't do the longest possible trip.

I loved LWR (the book as well as the DVD), but wasn't so impressed with LWD. I hope their schedule is not as tight this time.

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Old 11-29-2008, 04:25 AM   #90
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I enjoyed both of the shows. It actually helped explain to SWMBO why I like to ride. I think both shows captured that transition from a day long ride, to a longer trip where the dates and schedule are let slip. When today is book-ended by more riding, and you live entirely in the present. As soon as you (I?) make that transition the whole mood and point of the trip changes and small things start to be interesting again - suddenly you feel properly alive and not just plodding through.

So both LWR/LWD were good... showed me places I want to take my bike. Made me dream of setting off on my own trips like that more. Now the itch is insatiable.

If it weren't for the shows I wouldn't have found Ted Simon story. (Preaching to the converted here it seems, but if you haven't read his books, well worth grabbing at very least the first one 'Jupiter's Travels')

I'm interested to see what they do... and disappointed they don't keep going north. But I suppose once they hit California it will be all slab, hotels, and garages. Where's the adventure in that ;) Ok tongue in cheek, but going from South to North the big adventure, the big new, that'll be much further south than the American border.
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