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Old 01-04-2011, 12:34 AM   #466
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I don't think there is a better SM then that KTM 990 SMT.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:40 AM   #467
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SMR vs SMt

Thinking about ditching my Multistrada for a 990KTM. I only do rides consisting of local twisties of 30-60 minutes duration. No touring or long trips. I carry my 13 year old son occasionally for rides. I don't really need a fairing and bags although I could make use of them occasionally. What do you guys feel about the 990SMR with an SMT seat for local type riding in terms of fun factor and practicality? My other choice is to go back to an R12GS.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:59 AM   #468
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Hey FB, thanks for the stable comment.

The SMR is perfect for the short runs, it is even more flickable with its lighter wheels & you'll have clean air in your face without the windscreen. My mate has put the SMT seat & rack on the back so he can carry a limited amount of gear.

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Old 01-04-2011, 01:36 PM   #469
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It is noticeably lighter and more narrow.
Interesting that both you and Holden comment re. the KTM feeling lighter. Looking at the spec sheet, they are basically identical (KTM is 197kg w/o gas, Duc Sport is 192kg dry). The MTS even has a "mass centralized" exhaust (low under the seat/motor), so just looking at the specs I would think the MTS would feel a wee bit lighter. I guess I'll know more once I ride them, but this caught my attention as I'm looking for light weight!

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Old 01-05-2011, 06:26 AM   #470
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Ducati build great bikes but their quoted weight isn't a real world number. KTM quote weight with fluids but no gas. Ducati... umm... well they are a bit more optimistic. No fluids for sure, maybe no battery.

As an example. Ducati lists the dry weight for the Multi on their US site as being 417lbs. Yet Motorcyclist magazine in their 12/2010 issue (pd 57) show a measured dry weight of 486lbs without fuel, 518lbs fully fueled.

The SMT comes in about 35-40lbs lighter compared to the Multi in the real world. Plus, you can easily loose another 24lbs by replacing the HEAVY stock exhaust cans and stock battery. Ti end cans drop about 18lbs and a LiFePo battery from TurnTech looses another 6lbs. My SMR used to weigh 449lbs fully fueled. Now it's 415lbs all gassed up, thanks to the above mods along with a set of light weight tires plus a bunch of ti and carbon bits.

If you are truly concerned with weight the KTM would be a better starting point. If you're looking for power, well then the Multi for sure has the edge. At least until KTM install the RC8R engine into the SMT.

No matter what you end up with I hope you enjoy it as much as I've enjoyed my SMR.

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Interesting that both you and Holden comment re. the KTM feeling lighter. Looking at the spec sheet, they are basically identical (KTM is 197kg w/o gas, Duc Sport is 192kg dry). The MTS even has a "mass centralized" exhaust (low under the seat/motor), so just looking at the specs I would think the MTS would feel a wee bit lighter. I guess I'll know more once I ride them, but this caught my attention as I'm looking for light weight!

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Old 01-05-2011, 08:14 AM   #471
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Interesting that both you and Holden comment re. the KTM feeling lighter. Looking at the spec sheet, they are basically identical (KTM is 197kg w/o gas, Duc Sport is 192kg dry). The MTS even has a "mass centralized" exhaust (low under the seat/motor), so just looking at the specs I would think the MTS would feel a wee bit lighter. I guess I'll know more once I ride them, but this caught my attention as I'm looking for light weight!

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Like natty said...Ducati's dry weight is very optimistic...as in dry meaning nothing included, not even a battery, I suspect.

I weighed my SMT at 466lbs...with almost a full tank of gas (+/- 4 gallons). My LV cans saved some weight for sure, but the crash bars and skid plate probably made up for that.
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:16 AM   #472
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Ducati build great bikes but their quoted weight isn't a real world number. KTM quote weight with fluids but no gas. Ducati... umm... well they are a bit more optimistic. No fluids for sure, maybe no battery.

As an example. Ducati lists the dry weight for the Multi on their US site as being 417lbs. Yet Motorcyclist magazine in their 12/2010 issue (pd 57) show a measured dry weight of 486lbs without fuel, 518lbs fully fueled.

The SMT comes in about 35-40lbs lighter compared to the Multi in the real world. Plus, you can easily loose another 24lbs by replacing the HEAVY stock exhaust cans and stock battery. Ti end cans drop about 18lbs and a LiFePo battery from TurnTech looses another 6lbs. My SMR used to weigh 449lbs fully fueled. Now it's 415lbs all gassed up, thanks to the above mods along with a set of light weight tires plus a bunch of ti and carbon bits.

If you are truly concerned with weight the KTM would be a better starting point. If you're looking for power, well then the Multi for sure has the edge. At least until KTM install the RC8R engine into the SMT.

No matter what you end up with I hope you enjoy it as much as I've enjoyed my SMR.

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Thanks natty and JJ. Good info!

So, based on "real" numbers, the Duc (stock to stock) is about 50lbs heavier than the KTM (so about 10%), with about 30% more HP (tested 130 vs. KTM at 104). Hmmmm....

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Old 01-05-2011, 10:26 AM   #473
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Thanks natty and JJ. Good info!

So, based on "real" numbers, the Duc (stock to stock) is about 50lbs heavier than the KTM (so about 10%), with about 30% more HP (tested 130 vs. KTM at 104). Hmmmm....

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I'd take the SMT over the MS even if the difference was bigger.
Actually, I'd rather have a 700-800cc twin in either, I can live with
70hp if the weight isn't over the current SMT's.

The old MS 620 was perfect IMHO.
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:20 AM   #474
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I'd take the SMT over the MS even if the difference was bigger.
Actually, I'd rather have a 700-800cc twin in either, I can live with
70hp if the weight isn't over the current SMT's.

The old MS 620 was perfect IMHO.
The Kawasaki Versys isn't to be underestimated either if it's a small twin you want; it's light, nimble, practical, cheap, faster than you think and more fun too.




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Old 01-05-2011, 11:29 AM   #475
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The Kawasaki Versys isn't to be underestimated either if it's a small twin you want; it's light, nimble, practical, cheap, faster than you think and more fun too.
Yeah, I know, I own it's twin brother (signature line), but it's not even
comparable in build quality, suspension, brakes etc with the SMT.
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:37 AM   #476
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The old MS 620 was perfect IMHO.
Except for the shit suspension.
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I'd take the SMT over the MS even if the difference was bigger.
Actually, I'd rather have a 700-800cc twin in either, I can live with
70hp if the weight isn't over the current SMT's.

The old MS 620 was perfect IMHO.
Then I guess you're wanting to look at the new Triumph Tiger eh? I was looking at it, for the same reasons (weight, nimble handling, etc.), but the numbers just didn't add up. Same weight as the SMT, but lower HP/Torque. The big advantage to the new Tiger is price. $10,800 w/ ABS vs. what, $15k for the SMT w/ ABS??? The good news is there are so many great bikes to choose from! I just need a bigger garage (and bank account).

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Except for the shit suspension.
Still probably better then my 650R, no?
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Thinking about ditching my Multistrada for a 990KTM. I only do rides consisting of local twisties of 30-60 minutes duration. No touring or long trips. I carry my 13 year old son occasionally for rides. I don't really need a fairing and bags although I could make use of them occasionally. What do you guys feel about the 990SMR with an SMT seat for local type riding in terms of fun factor and practicality? My other choice is to go back to an R12GS.
So what did you decide to do? I just bought a 2010 Multistrada S Sport, and it doesn't have any fueling issues (to my knowledge it has not been reflashed yet). In Urban mode, it pulls like a diesel from 2k RPM on up, and I don't get any surging at a constant 3k, 3.5k, 4k, or any other RPM. Mind you that's all in Urban mode. In Touring or Sport, I don't let it sit that low in the revs 'cause those modes are for haulin' the mail, not plonking through town.

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Looks like there are a few recalls on the new Multi 1200 according to cycle world. You may want to check with your dealer if you haven't done so. Hope you enjoy the ride, it's a wonderful machine.


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So what did you decide to do? I just bought a 2010 Multistrada S Sport, and it doesn't have any fueling issues (to my knowledge it has not been reflashed yet). In Urban mode, it pulls like a diesel from 2k RPM on up, and I don't get any surging at a constant 3k, 3.5k, 4k, or any other RPM. Mind you that's all in Urban mode. In Touring or Sport, I don't let it sit that low in the revs 'cause those modes are for haulin' the mail, not plonking through town.

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