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Old 10-14-2014, 07:24 AM   #1
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Upcoming Ducati Panigale "1299" (NOT 1199). Too crazy?

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Current Panigale Base & S version will get a 100cc displacement hike via an increased stroke and will exceed 200BHP... Like 190BHP wasn't fast already... The R will retain the same engine displacement, though. So it means, you won't see a 1.3L Panigale in SBK, atleast not now!
Now, Super Bikes are getting into the territory of "BIG TWINS"... My deceased grand father would be astonished to see that... He used to ride an old BSA Gold Star 500 Single... And it was more than plenty for him...
Well, The current Panigale has fairly narrow low-end torque compared to 1198...
So now, its basically torque of an 1198, even more BHP than The Panigale and weight of a CBR500R!!! Even less with little modifications!
Its probably the answer of revised BMW S1K... And H2R... And lets not forget the upcoming Yamaha R1 which according to rumours will make 200+BHP...
One word? INSANE...
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:35 AM   #2
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After 6 months of owning a 1290 Superduke, all I can say is bumping the Panigale to a 1299 is a good thing. The reason is that with the electronics, even insane power is manageable. Traction control is a wonderful thing! The other great thing is the added torque at lower rpm which makes everyday riding a lot more fun.
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:49 AM   #3
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All the geezers think it's insane, but it's not like they're shoving a 200hp engine in a 1975 motorcycle. Chassis dynamics, brakes, suspension, electronics, etc have come a long way and I'm sure it'll be nothing more than a slightly better motorcycle than the previous panigale.
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:58 AM   #4
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I read somewhere recently that they are slowly going to start moving toward V-4's because they are reaching the limit of what a twin is capable of (within the bounds of reliability on a streetbike)
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Old 10-14-2014, 08:01 AM   #5
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After 6 months of owning a 1290 Superduke, all I can say is bumping the Panigale to a 1299 is a good thing. The reason is that with the electronics, even insane power is manageable. Traction control is a wonderful thing! The other great thing is the added torque at lower rpm which makes everyday riding a lot more fun.
Well Yes. Whillie and Launch Controls does helps manning a bike that makes around 100ft-lbs...
But still, I think smaller 899 is a better bike, overall... After all, 899 makes better torque than a GSX-R750, and just a bit behind the Liter Class upto 8,000rpms!
BTW, Do you see world with ORANGE glasses? Thats the most KaTooMs I've ever seen in a signature!
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:06 AM   #6
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Well Yes. Whillie and Launch Controls does helps manning a bike that makes around 100ft-lbs...
But still, I think smaller 899 is a better bike, overall... After all, 899 makes better torque than a GSX-R750, and just a bit behind the Liter Class upto 8,000rpms!
BTW, Do you see world with ORANGE glasses? Thats the most KaTooMs I've ever seen in a signature!
I guess right now I am in orange land, but I have owned a lot of bikes and the only KTMs are the ones in my sig. I am kind of past my sport bike phase, otherwise I would have a Panigale for sure.
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Old 10-14-2014, 11:08 AM   #7
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All the geezers think it's insane, but it's not like they're shoving a 200hp engine in a 1975 motorcycle. Chassis dynamics, brakes, suspension, electronics, etc have come a long way and I'm sure it'll be nothing more than a slightly better motorcycle than the previous panigale.
Thank God for the "nanny" electronic packages or a considerable percentage of people who buy these bikes would likely die form a lack of self control.
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Old 10-14-2014, 11:58 AM   #8
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The Kawasaki H2 laughs at such a wimpy bike.
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Old 10-14-2014, 12:04 PM   #9
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I'm really excited about the improvements to the liter class of sportbikes. Now if I can only convince the wife that I need one!
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Old 10-14-2014, 12:42 PM   #10
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I looked at a Panigale and was very tempted - it really is motopr0n for sure.... But I don't really fit on the bike that well first of all, and second of all I'd for sure lose my license on that thing if I used it for street riding. That said, if I fit on it better I would probably have bought it...lol... It's drop dead sexy. I LOVE the direction some of these bikes are taking right now in terms of performance, but the reality is that using much more than about 10% of what they are capable of on the street means instant jail time and insane insurance premiums. I keep thinking about joining a track club and getting one like a GSXR or similar to get out and let it rip once in a while without fear of going to jail.
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Old 10-14-2014, 01:03 PM   #11
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New rule - if it doesn't make at least 200HP, can't be called a Superbike
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Old 10-14-2014, 05:16 PM   #12
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The Kawasaki H2 laughs at such a wimpy bike.
+1 The R even more so.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:01 PM   #13
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The Kawasaki H2 laughs at such a wimpy bike.
Only because it got a Turbine stuck in its butt... What a shame, really.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:53 PM   #14
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I read somewhere recently that they are slowly going to start moving toward V-4's because they are reaching the limit of what a twin is capable of (within the bounds of reliability on a streetbike)
Yes. The Ducati Desmosedici is a V4. And V4's are a better choice for racing in the future, but Ducati did win the World Superstock championship this year with a twin.....

But for the street and trackdays, the twin is best. Nothin like the thin light bike with the big bang traction of a twin. I see no need to play horsepower wars with the I4 bikes, but the market says otherwise. Anywhere you don't need Isle of Man TT kinds of horsepower and top speed, I'd prefer a twin.

So Ducati will always be based on twins. They've said so. It's in their blood. It's their heritage. But will they ever offer a V4 Desmosedici again, and try to homologate it for SBK? I don't know.

Still, I prefer the power output of the 1199 over the 1198. The 1198 was wheelspin, wheelie, then wheelspin again. Make no mistake though, to get I4 power from a twin, you're going to have to push the limit of modern tech.
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:59 PM   #15
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While these superbikes will be fun in a scary kind of way...methinks the insurance companies are going to slam the door shut and throw away the keys reguarding this insanity. And ...yes...it is insanity!
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