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Old 07-10-2012, 03:14 PM   #1771
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the Saturday before last, it was 109F in Nashville. Record breaking temps all over middle Tennessee. I rode my FJR 300 miles that day. Oh yeah baby, it was HOT! but I never thought "gee I wish I was on a bike that ran cooler". I did stop at least once an hour to drink lots of water though. At least two drinks every time - one water, one something else. (soft drinks).

I don't doubt that there is more heat on an FJR than there is on an R12RT, but I doubt that the difference is enough to justify the much higher cost of the BMW.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:02 PM   #1772
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the Saturday before last, it was 109F in Nashville. Record breaking temps all over middle Tennessee. I rode my FJR 300 miles that day. Oh yeah baby, it was HOT! but I never thought "gee I wish I was on a bike that ran cooler". I did stop at least once an hour to drink lots of water though. At least two drinks every time - one water, one something else. (soft drinks).

I don't doubt that there is more heat on an FJR than there is on an R12RT, but I doubt that the difference is enough to justify the much higher cost of the BMW.
I'm with you on that.
I love both bikes. If money were no object, I might spring for the RT (suspension and other goodies). But I'd never let engine heat be the determining factor. The differences are noticeable but not deal breakers.
Since money is an object for most of us, the FJR is such an outstanding value it was an easy choice for me.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:10 PM   #1773
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Yes, big sport tourers with bodywork put out some heat. Sitting in traffic can be a bitch.
Word Of Advice: Avoid sitting in traffic.
Yep. Heck, it's even hot sitting in traffic on my girlfriend's 250 ninja if you sit there long enough.

As for the FJR heat, you can feel it for sure, especially sitting in traffic. It's about the same as any other large bike, you're not going to get away from that. It runs ice cold compared to my ZX-14 at least.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:48 PM   #1774
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As for clearance riding two up.. nadda.. even 5 miles down a graded dirt road to check out an old cabin on the iron range, MN.

My reference about the ground clearance is in a leaned turn compared to the RT. The FJR scrapes its pegs all over the place and that even with an aftermarket rear shock. The RT has room to spare for lean angles.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:58 PM   #1775
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I don't doubt that there is more heat on an FJR than there is on an R12RT, but I doubt that the difference is enough to justify the much higher cost of the BMW.
My comments were simply around the bikes compared to each other, value for cost is only relative to the rider and his pocketbook...I suppose thats why I am riding an FJR in the first place. I would take an RT hands down to the FJR. Its a 106 here today and yeah, the FJR is pumping out some serious heat...not enough to keep me from riding but enough that it makes me think of how damn good my RT was. Heck even my K1200GT first and second gen never put out nearly this much heat.....I guess conisdering all the reading I had done about Yamaha fixing the problem for the Gen 2 sopunds a bit misleading....I mean, if BMW can get this shit right, why cant Yamaha? Its not like they hold a patent on engine cooling or engineers. I keep hearing about how any bike is going to get hot...but it makes mne think they havent ridden other bikes or are just happy living with sub par and convinced themselves that is normal.
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Old 07-11-2012, 03:03 PM   #1776
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It depends

My buddy sold his '04 because he couldn't stand the heat. My '04 is somewhat hot but it doesn't bother me. I rode across Kansas twice in late May in 90+ temps and it was ok. Hot, but ok. I do like Kansas though, wide open spaces!

I'm 5'9" and my knees are 2-3" away from the fairing around the motor. Buddy is 3" taller than me and his knees were up against the fairing so He was unable to get away from what heat escapes between the frame and the Tupperware.

Around here in NW PA, many summer mornings are cool enough that a little heat feels good. I had the grip heaters on this AM.

If I lived in the SW USA I doubt I would ride in the summer anyway. Don't know how folks that live there can ride in that heat.

So I suppose it depends...
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:42 PM   #1777
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Suggest a test ride to find out for sure what bike is for you.
FWIW, trying to get a test ride on a FJR has not been easy. My experience is that most dealers won't let new ones out on test rides, but used ones are harder to come by. I missed the Yamaha demo truck earlier this year (work strikes again) and haven't seen anything since.

Getting test rides on BMWs has always been easy, and there are lots of places to rent RTs. Certainly not cheap, but $180 to live with the bike for 24 hr before investing $20k is money well spent in my book....
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:14 PM   #1778
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My reference about the ground clearance is in a leaned turn compared to the RT. The FJR scrapes its pegs all over the place and that even with an aftermarket rear shock. The RT has room to spare for lean angles.
Wonder if the scraping has anything to do with rider weight? I ran million dollar highway south from Ouray to Durango and ripped the sides of my front PR'2 tire to shreds and never once touched a peg enough to cause concern. I weight 190 dressed to ride.. Have any photos of your peg feelers and tires to show what you have done to them?

I would have to be on a track with plenty of run-off room before even attempting more speed in the corners than what I did that day.


Did I read somewhere that the 07's had fuel metering issues and were lean off idle? Certainly a lean running engine will run very hot regardless of the cooling system. How many bars does your temp gauge display when it feels warm? Have you ever had an opportunity to ride a 2010-11-12 FJR for comparison?
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:36 PM   #1779
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Wonder if the scraping has anything to do with rider weight? I ran million dollar highway south from Ouray to Durango and ripped the sides of my front PR'2 tire to shreds and never once touched a peg enough to cause concern. I weight 190 dressed to ride.. Have any photos of your peg feelers and tires to show what you have done to them?

I would have to be on a track with plenty of run-off room before even attempting more speed in the corners than what I did that day.


Did I read somewhere that the 07's had fuel metering issues and were lean off idle? Certainly a lean running engine will run very hot regardless of the cooling system. How many bars does your temp gauge display when it feels warm? Have you ever had an opportunity to ride a 2010-11-12 FJR for comparison?

Different folks run different speeds. I'm 180lbs, after market shock with correct for weight spring, with the preload on the high side {too little sag in the rear} , correct front springs with the tubes flush with the triples and I scrap the pegs even when running Shinkos,,,, Ravens at dat,, ohhhh the horror!!!! With one hand waving at the squidlets.

Besides, the the dude's weight is irrevalent as he weighs the same on the FJR as he does on the RT. Same rider, same weight, same riding style,,, on the FJR he scraps, on the BMW he doesn't. Dat simple.


Unless the FJR has been lowered, with a lighter spring, flacid compression and the BMW has after market springs, stiff compression and it's been raised like 3 inches!


It's late, I'm tired,,,,, just having a bit of fun.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:54 AM   #1780
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Yes, sounds a little high... I'd think you could get a year or two newer and fewer miles for $9K money.

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My '07 with 13k included, and was in REALLLLLLLY good shape. REALLY GOOD.
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out the door from private party... $8,000 (this is all in California no less, where EVERYTHING is more $$$)
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:30 AM   #1781
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Different folks run different speeds. I'm 180lbs, after market shock with correct for weight spring, with the preload on the high side {too little sag in the rear} , correct front springs with the tubes flush with the triples and I scrap the pegs even when running Shinkos,,,, Ravens at dat,, ohhhh the horror!!!! With one hand waving at the squidlets.

Besides, the the dude's weight is irrevalent as he weighs the same on the FJR as he does on the RT. Same rider, same weight, same riding style,,, on the FJR he scraps, on the BMW he doesn't. Dat simple.


Unless the FJR has been lowered, with a lighter spring, flacid compression and the BMW has after market springs, stiff compression and it's been raised like 3 inches!


It's late, I'm tired,,,,, just having a bit of fun.

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well when you are awake you might re-read the conversation and find out we are discussing GEN 2 bikes not the ill-suspended GEN 1 bikes. that have different suspension, wheelbase, geometry and overall gearing changes besides that over heating oven running not stop to cook up some hot drama..

Ever hear of comparing apples to apples?

Get a kick out of you keyboard racers..
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:22 PM   #1782
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well when you are awake you might re-read the conversation and find out we are discussing GEN 2 bikes not the ill-suspended GEN 1 bikes. that have different suspension, wheelbase, geometry and overall gearing changes besides that over heating oven running not stop to cook up some hot drama..

Ever hear of comparing apples to apples?

Get a kick out of you keyboard racers..
They are so much different ehh? Gearing changes really make and break that cornering clearance.

I live in N. E. Ga., how bout you? Care to go for a ride? Then we can compare those ill-suspended GEN 1 bikes that have different suspension, wheelbase, geometry and overall gearing changes. As for the over heating oven, not stop to cook up some hot drama,,,,,,,,, we would seebout that.


But back to da point sport,,,, the same rider, the same riding style,,,, he stated the BMW had more corning clearance than the FJR. Can't get no more apples and apples. Care for some sauce wit dat apple pie?.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:15 PM   #1783
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But back to da point sport,,,, the same rider, the same riding style,,,, he stated the BMW had more corning clearance than the FJR. Can't get no more apples and apples. Care for some sauce wit dat apple pie?.
Eh...Im not an RT Guru..nor an FJR guru...but I'm pretty sure the RT has a bit more ground clearance than the FJ. So....at least in that regard....yeah...he is right. 6.1 compared to 5.3

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And....Im pretty sure this really settles it so : http://www.fjrforum.com/files/fjrcomparo.pdf

Bu then again....why are we even debating this? Who REALLY CARES?
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:31 AM   #1784
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Eh...Im not an RT Guru..nor an FJR guru...but I'm pretty sure the RT has a bit more ground clearance than the FJ. So....at least in that regard....yeah...he is right. 6.1 compared to 5.3

BM-Dub http://www.powersportstv.com/2011/BM...orcycle/72040/
FeeJer: http://motoprofi.com/motospecspictur...00_a-2008.html

And....Im pretty sure this really settles it so : http://www.fjrforum.com/files/fjrcomparo.pdf

Bu then again....why are we even debating this? Who REALLY CARES?
Well, you did care enough to find and post those links. And I do appreciate it as I found out that there could be roughly a 100lb difference twixt the 1st and 2nd gens.

Fast un cared enough to bring it up and let me know exactly how much difference there was.


And I cared enough to chime in initially on that weight thang Fastun was bugged on. At the time I didn't care too much about the many differences between the 1st and 2nd gens but thankfully, I was quickly schooled. I had no idea the 2nd gen's had soooo much more cornering clearance. 'Preciate the help there Fastie.


Apparently,,,, that's who cares!

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Eh...Im not an RT Guru..nor an FJR guru...but I'm pretty sure the RT has a bit more ground clearance than the FJ. So....at least in that regard....yeah...he is right. 6.1 compared to 5.3
Musta been that derned weight difference ehh Fastun?
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:49 AM   #1785
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the wife has agreed after 20 years to be a passenger so I'm going to need a suitable 2 up sport tourer. ive narrowed my search to preowned versions of the newer concourse, FJR or R1200RT. the beemer isnt as powerful as I would like and the Consourse ergos arent as good as the FJR. So....even though the FJR seems like the right choice I'm concerned about the heat. I have heard conflicting info about the GEN2 heat? Was the problem fixed? Im tall 6'4" so my legs are going to be right on the body panels.....
FJR fer the win!
Just got back from a little 475 mi romp through the Sierras with mah wife/sister and think'in wut a magnificent bike the FJR iz.
Way mor power fer pass'in two up @ elevation in the mountains, than a pos weak sauce, unreliable, over priced RT.

We dun a 210. mi stint and a 265 mi. stint. (A connie could do neither)
Cum'in down HWY 50, I could throw the pig into a corner with confidence: something I never had on my pos, over priced, telelevered BMW.
As far as heat goes, I wear a 'Stitch, and never noticed any mo heat on the FJR than mah R1200ST.
So if ya wanta bike, that can haul two peeps in luxury, rip the twisties fer over 200 mi. on a tank, the FJR iz the shiznit.
If'n yer old people with mor money than common sense, and just wanta poke around on the freeway, are a sissy bitch cry baby worried 'bout a little heat then the RT is right fer you.
If'n ya wanta spend all yer time look'in fer gas, and adjusting valves, then the Connie's right fer you.

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Eh...Im not an RT Guru..nor an FJR guru...but I'm pretty sure the RT has a bit more ground clearance than the FJ. So....at least in that regard....yeah...he is right. 6.1 compared to 5.3

BM-Dub http://www.powersportstv.com/2011/BM...orcycle/72040/
FeeJer: http://motoprofi.com/motospecspictur...00_a-2008.html

And....Im pretty sure this really settles it so : http://www.fjrforum.com/files/fjrcomparo.pdf

Bu then again....why are we even debating this? Who REALLY CARES?
you can upgrade the FJR suspension, get mor ground clearance, and still have a bunch of cash left from wut a top heavy, RT costs.
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