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Old 01-25-2011, 11:51 AM   #901
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So which would you rather NOT do over a long day? Ride a thousand road miles on the Husqy? Or ride trails and unimproved roads on the GS/S10?
Well I've yet to meet anyone that can do "REAL" dirt rides beyond 500 miles/day unless you are just riding dirt roads that were not funded for an application of pavement. (Excluding the Baja 1000 or similar races)

Now my Husky has done 450 mile dirt/day but that is on forest service roads, logging roads, single track and 15% pavement. Take the 600 lb S10 on the same route and you better have some terrific health coverage, up to date bike coverage and some large stones in the pants. Possibly not, if we just run some sand 1/4 mile away from the pavement.. it would all end real quick.

BTW, I did not purchase the Husky to ride 1000 mile/days. I'll haul both bikes to the best ride areas in the nation and then enjoy the best of both types of motorcycling. I won't be wishing I could go down that rock strewn mud infested trail or worry about a good 500 miles of road missle excitement.

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Old 01-25-2011, 11:59 AM   #902
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The S10 at 575 lbs plus empty hard shell luggage would tip the scales at 600lbs..At that weight it is hardly a dirt worthy steed unless you are on freshly graded dirt roads and that gives you some type of thrill.
It's an exceeding tired argument that GS-type bikes are not real dirt bikes. No one is saying they are, the point is that they're MUCH more capable of gravel roads, fire roads, forest service roads, and other unpaved roads than bikes like the FJR.

The argument that one should only use a KTM or Husky to go off-road is also fallacious. When you tour, you don't have the choice to trade bikes to the optimal one - you have to make one bike do the job of many. Bikes like the GS and S10 are compromised but exactly what you want for long-distance adventure riding on a mix of road types.

And BTW, in many parts of the US, about 90% of the roads are "not funded for an application of pavement". Having a bike like a GS or S10 vs. a FJR increases your riding routes by an order of magnitude.

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Old 01-25-2011, 12:10 PM   #903
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When you tour, you don't have the choice to trade bikes to the optimal one - you have to make one bike do the job of many. Bikes like the GS and S10 are compromised but exactly what you want for long-distance adventure riding on a mix of road types.


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exactly, if you plan on long distance touring the bike would excel however not everyone can take a month off work and enjoy that type of ride or may not even have the desire to waste a week pounding pavement across the midwest. Fortunatly many bikes are manufactured to allow selection based on desire of use. Thus, no one in the right mind would purchase a Husky TE 510 to pound long distance straight roads. The problem with the ST10 is that not everyone is touring and to use it once a year and let it collect dust the balance of the year doesn't flip my switch.

and you don't have to like my opinion but don't pull something out of left field like " what would you rather NOT want to do" thats just plain lame
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Old 01-25-2011, 12:24 PM   #904
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Yes it's a 205 but seems to relevent as you guys are comparing notes on FJR's and S10's

My FJR pretending to be an S10 or may be the other way around

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Old 01-25-2011, 02:09 PM   #905
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Yes it's a 205 but seems to relevent as you guys are comparing notes on FJR's and S10's

My FJR pretending to be an S10 or may be the other way around

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Old 01-25-2011, 02:44 PM   #906
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The thing about an S10 or GS that make it more gravel or dirt worthy is that its not a disaster to drop one, unlike the FJR where ritual suicide often follows a drop, especially on dirt or gravel.

None of these 600+ pound bikes can be picked up easily, so try to not drop them if you are alone in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:27 PM   #907
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:41 PM   #908
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Gee, thanks for permission (twice now!).
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I've never had an adv bike before but I'm really looking forward to having one and trying adv riding/camping. I've done a good bit off roading but never on a 600 pounder so I'm sure there's lots to learn. ''

you also have my permission to join the S10 thread and don't hurt youself when you fall in the dirt
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:44 PM   #909
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The S10 at 575 lbs plus empty hard shell luggage would tip the scales at 600lbs..At that weight it is hardly a dirt worthy steed unless you are on freshly graded dirt roads and that gives you some type of thrill.


You should probably have a look at some of the various Super Tenere threads. Reality is quite different.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:47 PM   #910
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None of these 600+ pound bikes can be picked up easily, so try to not drop them if you are alone in the middle of nowhere.

Also not true of the Super Tenere
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:45 PM   #911
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Also not true of the Super Tenere
I was allowed to get the S10 off the center stand at the DC show and it sure weighs more than the KLR or Wee. Again, I'd put it very similar to the GS's I've ridden.

I have to keep coming back to the thought that it's been consistentlyless than freezing for weeks now and I just can't see the weather protection on the S10 that I need for 2+ hours a day on the bike.

Obvious fix: I'll buy one when it's August! Just like going to the sun at night to keep from burning up, right?
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Old 01-25-2011, 05:48 PM   #912
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Yes it's a 205 but seems to relevent as you guys are comparing notes on FJR's and S10's

My FJR pretending to be an S10 or may be the other way around

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=504
So who is going to be the first to darkside an S10

Nice rig, Bug, enjoyed the RR too
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Old 01-25-2011, 08:10 PM   #913
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It's an exceeding tired argument that GS-type bikes are not real dirt bikes. No one is saying they are, the point is that they're MUCH more capable of gravel roads, fire roads, forest service roads, and other unpaved roads than bikes like the FJR.

The argument that one should only use a KTM or Husky to go off-road is also fallacious. When you tour, you don't have the choice to trade bikes to the optimal one - you have to make one bike do the job of many. Bikes like the GS and S10 are compromised but exactly what you want for long-distance adventure riding on a mix of road types.

And BTW, in many parts of the US, about 90% of the roads are "not funded for an application of pavement". Having a bike like a GS or S10 vs. a FJR increases your riding routes by an order of magnitude.

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Old 01-25-2011, 08:40 PM   #914
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Very well said!
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Old 01-26-2011, 06:12 AM   #915
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Very well said. I'm on my 2nd FJR. I wouldn't even consider doing much dirt or gravel road with my FJR, these things rock on pavement, but they don't handle worth a crap on gravel..
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