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Old 04-26-2011, 02:12 PM   #16921
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Imported firearms from "X" country must have at least 10 American parts to be considered "legal" for anything other than their original "sporting" configuration.

In some cases the magazine, if an actual US made part is acceptable. Other parts include: Furniture, hammer, trigger, sights, grips, bolts, bolt carriers, trunions, sear, barrel and the receiver.

Ahh...So a Saiga in stock form is legal because it's a "sporting rifle", but add say a pistol grip, and you must have the correct number of american made parts...
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Old 04-26-2011, 02:25 PM   #16922
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Ahh...So a Saiga in stock form is legal because it's a "sporting rifle", but add say a pistol grip, and you must have the correct number of american made parts...
Correct.

And the BATFE is in the process of excluding the Saiga from importation because it meets "no sporting purpose".

Expect long lines and big price tags if looking for one. The decision will be rendered sometime in May (May 7 is the cut off date for "comments" on this ruling.)
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Old 04-26-2011, 03:08 PM   #16923
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Imported firearms from "X" country must have at least 10 American parts to be considered "legal" for anything other than their original "sporting" configuration.

In some cases the magazine, if an actual US made part is acceptable. Other parts include: Furniture, hammer, trigger, sights, grips, bolts, bolt carriers, trunions, sear, barrel and the receiver.
Other way around, it can have no more than 10 imported parts to meet 922r. As it comes the saiga has 14 parts you need 4 American parts for 922r. Fore stock, butt stock, gas tube etc... the magazine counts as 3 parts

As soon as you take it from sporting config, ex. pistol grip, thumbhole stock, hi cap magazines you need 922r

I'm in Califiornia and have pre-ban AK 47 magazines, i can use these as long as I change out 4 russian parts for American if the gun is still sporting config.

If I add evil features like a pistol grip I can only use 10 round mags and need a bullet button/tool/mag lock

Go to Saiga 12 forum for all the info and 922r check lists
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Old 04-26-2011, 03:16 PM   #16924
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Keltec Sub 2000, Glock 17 model. Quite accurate, fun to shoot and crazy reliable. Folds up and fits in a briefcase, laptop case or motorcycle pannier or top case.

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Old 04-26-2011, 04:09 PM   #16925
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:54 PM   #16926
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Correct.

And the BATFE is in the process of excluding the Saiga from importation because it meets "no sporting purpose".

Expect long lines and big price tags if looking for one. The decision will be rendered sometime in May (May 7 is the cut off date for "comments" on this ruling.)
Is that for any saiga or just the shotgun ones?
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Old 04-26-2011, 05:52 PM   #16927
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i think just the shot gun ,but the entire brand has been tainted
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:52 PM   #16928
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I thought the antique Chinese opium pipe really tied the whole thing together.



Please.

Don't be insulting.
Do you smoke the Reece's pieces?


The most embarrassing thing is the Folger's half caff. Embarrassing indeed. Should at least have the decency to get Maxwell House.
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:08 PM   #16929
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Other way around, it can have no more than 10 imported parts to meet 922r. As it comes the saiga has 14 parts you need 4 American parts for 922r. Fore stock, butt stock, gas tube etc... the magazine counts as 3 parts

As soon as you take it from sporting config, ex. pisto

Go to Saiga 12 forum for all the info and 922r check lists
Nope. You have to have 10+ US made parts to pass muster.

Magazine followers are still a big gray area. As are the bodies by themselves.

I'm getting my info from the nice ATF agent who explained this to us when we started working with a few importers.

I try and not fuck it all up when considering what is and what is not a felony.
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Old 04-27-2011, 03:52 AM   #16930
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Commander ... can a slide from a cz75 compact be dropped on a full size frame?

This thing hides reasonably well on apendix carry, but it is a ball buster (my right nut will appreciate it)
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:57 AM   #16931
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Shooting a new pistol

I have recently purchased a new HK P2000 .40 cal. This is one of the first new in the box guns I have ever purchased. Everything in the past has been used so I would take them apart clean them and go to the range, fairly simple.
What, if anything, should I do differently for my new pistol?





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Old 04-27-2011, 05:00 AM   #16932
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These gun laws are absolutely insane and don't stop ANY crime.
No kidding. The 94 AWB specifically mentioned the AR15, a semi automatic magazine fed .223. It omitted the Mini-14, a semi automatic magazine fed .223. My theory at the time was that the law was to protect us from black plastic stocks.


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Old 04-27-2011, 01:10 PM   #16933
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i don't want this in CSM so quit it and show some nice pics of a a gun I should buy with an external trigger, good build and not too expensive for home/zombie use.

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Old 04-27-2011, 01:17 PM   #16934
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i don't want this in CSM so quit it and show some nice pics of a a gun I should buy with an external trigger, good build and not too expensive for home/zombie use.

I wandered into a BHP yesterday. Not too bad for HD, might run a little short on zombies...

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Old 04-27-2011, 01:35 PM   #16935
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i wandered into a bhp yesterday. Not too bad for hd, might run a little short on zombies...

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