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Old 06-02-2011, 04:27 PM   #17776
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My pusher just emailed: Wilson Spec Ops 9 arrives end of next week!

Damn! That's sweet!
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:37 PM   #17777
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Interesting idea, but I don't know how to feel about the product when the designer endorses it with something like, "Even with a mistake, she was under 2 seconds." (The point is to hit the target, not bystanders!)

But yes, bigger boobs (or the illusion thereof ) can help a woman conceal a bigger pistol better.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:29 PM   #17778
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Interesting idea, but I don't know how to feel about the product when the designer endorses it with something like, "Even with a mistake, she was under 2 seconds." (The point is to hit the target, not bystanders!)

But yes, bigger boobs (or the illusion thereof ) can help a woman conceal a bigger pistol better.
There's a lot to a fast draw from concealment. Controlled conditions with selected clothing and an ideal draw position are one thing. On the street, there are more unknowns. This looks like a good solution for many, casual, moderate to warm temperature settings. Not bad at all.

She may not be very experienced in drawing from concealment, but she's had some good coaching and she's obviously well coordinated. I doubt I could draw that fast from that concealment.

Rookie or not, say what you want, but that gal is fast and smooth. Watch the video again. Wow!

Is that a KelTec P11 or P9?
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:34 PM   #17779
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There's a lot to a fast draw from concealment. Controlled conditions with selected clothing and an ideal draw position are one thing. On the street, there are more unknowns. This looks like a good solution for many, casual, moderate to warm temperature settings. Not bad at all.

She may not be very experienced in drawing from concealment, but she's had some good coaching and she's obviously well coordinated. I doubt I could draw that fast from that concealment.

Rookie or not, say what you want, but that gal is fast and smooth. Watch the video again. Wow!

Is that a KelTec P11 or P9?
I'd like to see how far away she really is from the target.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:55 PM   #17780
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Rookie or not, say what you want, but that gal is fast and smooth. Watch the video again. Wow!

Fast and confident and not even an air of arrogance

Fastest time was 1.39 seconds

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Old 06-02-2011, 06:56 PM   #17781
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I'd like to see how far away she really is from the target.

Fast draw exercise like that... the closer the better
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:00 PM   #17782
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Fast draw exercise like that... the closer the better
I agree, but I still like to know.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:01 PM   #17783
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I'd like to see how far away she really is from the target.
I hear you, EvilGenius! That's belly shot range. Anything more would require a locked elbow/wrist, sight alignment, etc. A locked wrist with a semi-auto is crucial. One of the reasons I think revolvers are better for less experienced hand gunners! A fast draw from concealment can't hurt, in any case.

One of the most important things is being trained to defend against a close in assault, while effecting a draw, if necessary. Basic, martial arts training should be a big part of any personal defense plan.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:04 PM   #17784
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I hear you, EvilGenius! That's belly shot range. Anything more would require a locked elbow/wrist, sight alignment, etc. A locked wrist with a semi-auto is crucial. One of the reasons I think revolvers are better for less experienced hand gunners! A fast draw from concealment can't hurt, in any case.

One of the most important things is being trained to defend against a close in assault, while effecting a draw, if necessary. Basic, martial arts training should be a big part of any personal defense plan.


Every situation is different, but if she's as close as I think, my main focus would be to wait on the draw and fight them off so I can either flee or retreat to a safer draw distance where I could get more than one shot off.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:15 PM   #17785
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She could just lift her shirt and throw me off.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:17 PM   #17786
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Every situation is different, but if she's as close as I think, my main focus would be to wait on the draw and fight them off so I can either flee or retreat to a safer draw distance where I could get more than one shot off.



Thats a little subjective

108 lb woman trying to ward off a 150 lb enraged man

Go for the gun.... quick
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:21 PM   #17787
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Thats a little subjective

108 lb woman trying to ward off a 150 lb enraged man

Go for the gun.... quick
"Even an 8lb cat can injure a 200lb man."

With 5min of training she can be trained to permanently maime anyone barehanded in a matter of seconds.

Besides all that's gonna happen if she gut shots an "enraged man" at that distance is have that gun taken away and be beaten or shot if she has not other training, especially in weapons retention.

Just ask Kürbczech.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:33 PM   #17788
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Every situation is different, but if she's as close as I think, my main focus would be to wait on the draw and fight them off so I can either flee or retreat to a safer draw distance where I could get more than one shot off.
The goal of survival is to survive. Self defense is just that. Your goal should be to escape the threat. If that threat involves having to use deadly force to defend yourself or innocent others, then so be it, if, and only if, you believe you have no other choice.

Any other scenario will cost you in court and maybe prison time.....
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:37 PM   #17789
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The goal of survival is to survive. Self defense is just that. Your goal should be to escape the threat. If that threat involves having to use deadly force to defend yourself or innocent others, then so be it, if, and only if, you believe you have no other choice.

Any other scenario will cost you in court and maybe prison time.....
Yup.
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Old 06-02-2011, 07:40 PM   #17790
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Based on that pic, i would say Thompson sub machine gun.
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