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Old 09-14-2011, 10:24 AM   #20221
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Why would non FMJ be more accurate?
I'm just guessing, but suspect that specs on some commercial bullets are more stringent than military/el-cheapo ones, so more uniformity. Also, most match bullets have a very small hollow-point which seems to shoot a little more accurately for some reason.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:29 AM   #20222
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I'm just guessing, but suspect that specs on some commercial bullets are more stringent than military/el-cheapo ones, so more uniformity. Also, most match bullets have a very small hollow-point which seems to shoot a little more accurately for some reason.
So it's not so much about the fact that's it's FMJ but more that some are more cheaply made than others?
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:32 AM   #20223
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So it's not so much about the fact that's it's FMJ but more that some are more cheaply made than others?
That would be my guess, and that's all it is, that they are made in very high volume and the specs are relatively loose.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:36 AM   #20224
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So it's not so much about the fact that's it's FMJ but more that some are more cheaply made than others?
I'm thinking along these lines too, the FMJ is bottom of the barrel, and anything not FMJ is likely to be higher end. But, I don't really know either.



At the shop I was at, rem/umc was $8.50/box vs. $24/box for the good stuff.

Next time, I'll pick up some boxes of the better stuff.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:37 AM   #20225
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The X's MAKE the drawing! I also find a lot more difference in accuracy with .223 than any other calibre. Shoot, with that rifle I pictured, I would shoot 144gr Match Austrailian and get a 1/2~ 3/4in group at 100m, 168gr off the shelf stuff, same, any factory .308, same, and not until I used my loads which were the same as Federal GMM, OR factory GMM, would it go to 1/4~1/2. However, with my old match Colt HBAR it seems the groups went from 3/4 to 2in depending on ammo.
I've had similar experience with my 308s, an AR10, an M1A and a Remington 700 all shoot old military (I have a bunch of stuff from the mid-1960s broken down from M60 belts) and less expensive FMJ stuff pretty well, but even better if I use 168 grain MatchKing handloads (thanks again for sending that box, Sniper!!). The difference isn't vast, however, maybe 1/2 MOA is all. But with the 5.56/223 the difference between factory PMC 55 grain stuff and handloads with match bullets is night and day. From a good gun, 2" groups with the cheapo, .75-1.00 with the good stuff.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:39 AM   #20226
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I'm thinking along these lines too, the FMJ is bottom of the barrel, and anything not FMJ is likely to be higher end. But, I don't really know either.



At the shop I was at, rem/umc was $8.50/box vs. $24/box for the good stuff.

Next time, I'll pick up some boxes of the better stuff.
Get a couple different kinds of "good stuff" and check them out off of a bench, and compare them to the Remington FMJ. Let us know what you learn. OTOH, the $8.50 ought to work just fine on skunks at 25 yards!
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:58 AM   #20227
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Buddy Matt brought one of these out to the pit today, we popped off a box through it - snappy little devil.



his neighbor gave it to him a while back, it has the WWII markings on it, a nice historical piece.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:03 PM   #20228
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Since it just came up AGAIN, I have another BBQ gun question for you Southerners. It's not explicit to me, are these guns carried openly or concealed?
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:07 PM   #20229
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Since it just came up AGAIN, I have another BBQ gun question for you Southerners. It's not explicit to me, are these guns carried openly or concealed?
A BBQ gun is a bun carried to and at a BBQ that other gun guys go to so normally, they are carried openly to further show off. I have seen everything from super nice custom 1911's to SAA .45lc's in double fancy cowboy rigs, to even vintage Luger P08s in period holster with correct markings. About the neatest was a guy who is a quiet collector here who wore a 1911 that was all blinged out that Elvis Presley had custom blinged.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:13 PM   #20231
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Get a couple different kinds of "good stuff" and check them out off of a bench, and compare them to the Remington FMJ. Let us know what you learn. OTOH, the $8.50 ought to work just fine on skunks at 25 yards!
Yup, and in the case of remington, I believe the brass is the same-
I bought 100 rnds of the fmj in 223 for $6/box of 20- essentially for the brass. My handloads with a 69g sierra are 1/2 at 100 yrds- the remington 55g fmj stuff was 1-2 inches (though was a windy day, much of that was likely me)

Rem/winchester brass locally runs about $26/100
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Some how I've missed out on .223 being so damn cheap.

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Old 09-14-2011, 03:06 PM   #20233
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Old 09-14-2011, 04:33 PM   #20235
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Some how I've missed out on .223 being so damn cheap.

I've been seeing PMC 223 FMJ stuff selling locally for around $6.50 for a box of 20. It has been creeping downward in price. Onliest problem with it from a handloading standpoint is that the primers are crimped in, so the crimp has to be removed prior to inserting new primers, kind of a PITA.
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