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Old 09-14-2011, 04:42 PM   #20236
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:03 PM   #20237
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I've been seeing PMC 223 FMJ stuff selling locally for around $6.50 for a box of 20. It has been creeping downward in price. Onliest problem with it from a handloading standpoint is that the primers are crimped in, so the crimp has to be removed prior to inserting new primers, kind of a PITA.
Not that bad to do. I get my 223 brass at the range. A lot of Federal and Lake City. Only the Lake City is crimped.
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:55 PM   #20238
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Not that bad to do. I get my 223 brass at the range. A lot of Federal and Lake City. Only the Lake City is crimped.
Yeah, Federal stuff usually isn't crimped although some of it is. Around here there is a ton of PMC (made in Korea) floating around, all the shops carry it, it's fairly inexpensive, and quite decent, nice brass cases, but crimped. I have a tool that I got several years ago from Dillon that takes care of it easily. There are other tools or attachments for presses that do the same job. You can just scrape it out with a blade too, but that's pretty time-consuming.
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:14 PM   #20239
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Is there anything wrong with the Sig556?

Particularly the patrol model?
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:51 PM   #20240
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Is there anything wrong with the Sig556?

Particularly the patrol model?
Wrong? I doubt it. I shot one a bit considering it instead of an AR for use with a can to escape the gas leaking into my eyes. In the end, the sig seemed a little pricey, an te trigger wasn't what I wanted it to be.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:19 PM   #20241
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Wrong? I doubt it. I shot one a bit considering it instead of an AR for use with a can to escape the gas leaking into my eyes. In the end, the sig seemed a little pricey, an te trigger wasn't what I wanted it to be.
I like that it can take AR mags.

The trigger looks kinda funky, how does it work?
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:28 PM   #20242
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it feels like mush.

i guess I would add that while I only ran the gun thru CQB drills and on 18 inch steel plates at 100 yards, it was accurate enough for those tasks but I have heard complaints that it "isnt as accurate as a stock Rock River or other "good" grade AR15.

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Old 09-14-2011, 07:39 PM   #20243
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I actually like the plaster stocks too. I put one on a project build on a 10FP I did a while back. it ended up as a 1/4moa gun.

What stock is that.?
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:22 PM   #20244
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Choate ultimate sniper stock...iirc
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:58 PM   #20245
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I've been seeing PMC 223 FMJ stuff selling locally for around $6.50 for a box of 20. It has been creeping downward in price. Onliest problem with it from a handloading standpoint is that the primers are crimped in, so the crimp has to be removed prior to inserting new primers, kind of a PITA.
the remington stuff FMJ has no such primer crimp issues

Fiocci, PMC, american eagle have all had the crimp

Honestly, I sold my 22-250 last year and went to the 223 for ammo cost/avail issues.
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Old 09-15-2011, 04:51 AM   #20246
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the remington stuff FMJ has no such primer crimp issues

Fiocci, PMC, american eagle have all had the crimp

Honestly, I sold my 22-250 last year and went to the 223 for ammo cost/avail issues.
I have a Ruger No.3 in 223. I've been loading a 55 grain cast lead bullet over 2.5 grains of Bullseye. Can't get any cheaper than that and its a lot of fun. Great squirrel load, too.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:10 AM   #20247
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Is there anything wrong with the Sig556?

Particularly the patrol model?
Friend of mine has the 556 and I've shot it several times. I don't know what model it is, an early production gun from four (roughly) years ago. The trigger is, as has been said, a little mushy compared to an AR, but I didn't find it difficult to navigate at all. The gun is fairly accurate. My main beef on it was the forward weight. It's a heavy little beast compared to a comparably sized AR, and the weight is forward in the gun.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:17 AM   #20248
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What stock is that.?
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Choate ultimate sniper stock...iirc
Right*. Designed by John Plaster, which is why Sniper-X referred to them earlier as "plaster stocks"..


*One of them might be a "Choate Ultimate Varmint", but that would be splitting hairs.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:43 AM   #20249
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the remington stuff FMJ has no such primer crimp issues

Fiocci, PMC, american eagle have all had the crimp

Honestly, I sold my 22-250 last year and went to the 223 for ammo cost/avail issues.
That's essentially correct. I have some American Eagle that I purchased roughly 11 or 12 years ago which is not crimped. AE is made by Federal. Federal also makes some 5.56 specificially denominated as such, not as 223, and comes packaged in the little brown military looking boxes, which is crimped. I've not encountered Fiocci 223. A lot of my 45ACP brass is Fiocci, uncrimped, but the 223 is undoubtedly a different story.

I consider Zedicker's book "The Competitive AR15" to be the best authority on ARs. He strongly recommends Winchester 223 brass. I have some and like it, but can't point to any great advantage to it over other brands. Aside from the issue of crimp/no crimp, it all seems pretty similar to me.
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:26 AM   #20250
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Friend of mine has the 556 and I've shot it several times. I don't know what model it is, an early production gun from four (roughly) years ago. The trigger is, as has been said, a little mushy compared to an AR, but I didn't find it difficult to navigate at all. The gun is fairly accurate. My main beef on it was the forward weight. It's a heavy little beast compared to a comparably sized AR, and the weight is forward in the gun.
I've read the same about the "early models" but I dont yet know what time frame that is.

Also the triggers are supposed to be adjustable, but in what way I don't know.
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