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Old 09-18-2011, 09:25 AM   #20296
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He could go the pistol route to get a shorter barrel but then he wouldn't be able to use a stock.

Not an issue with the Colt SP 6920 though. It's 16.1". G&T is a good place too. Grant, the owner is easy to work with. They have some good deals as well. Grant also run m4carbine.net.
I got my STAG M3 during the Obama scare for under $700 from www.evilblackrifles.com, my guy down in Burleson hooks me up too. Mine is a 16" M4 profile so I can easily swap muzzle devices. Currently sporting a Troy Medieval with glass breaking tips.

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Old 09-18-2011, 07:36 PM   #20297
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I have many guns but honestly my most used is my charter arms .38 undercover. Its great for a carry piece because its relatively inexpensive but deadly accurate.


here I am doing a run and gun to pratice with it:



because as with any gun... if you don't practice, practice, practice it WILL suck when you need it the most.
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:07 AM   #20298
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because as with any gun... if you don't practice, practice, practice it WILL suck when you need it the most.[/QUOTE]

That does apply if you are someone who hasn't put thousands of rounds downrange wit mainly only one platform. I find that with either my 1911's or a certain bow I have, I shoot so close to as well as I ever did because they are ingrained in memory. I tried this theory out about a month ago and was able to draw and fire off two deadly double taps in about a second at close rage to about 10m away easily. I can also pick up my old hunting bow (High Country 4 runner) and be sticking arrows touching each other within an hour of practice and so on. On the bow, it takes a little longer than the guns because it has slight changes in strike point due to string and cable stretch and such. But within an hour, I am hitting 2in groups from 25m with it. And they get smaller as the day goes on. BUT I use to shot my bow three hours a day for about five years before a lay off and I shot so many 1911s and .45acp in them it is something I will always remember.
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:30 AM   #20299
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That does apply if you are someone who hasn't out thousands of rounds downrange wit mainly only one platform. I find that with either my 1911's or a certain bow I have, I shoot so close to as well as I ever did they are ingrained in memory. I tried this theory out about a month ago and was able to draw and fire off two deadly taps in about a second at close rage to about 10m away easily. I can also pick up my old hunting bow (High Country 4 runner) and be sticking arrows touching each other within an hour of practice and so on. On the bow, it takes a little longer than the guns because it has slight changes in strike point due to string and cable stretch and such. But within an hour, I am hitting 2in groups from 25m with it. And they get smaller as the day goes on. BUT I use to shot my bow three hours a day for about five years before a lay off and I shot so many 1911s and .45acp in them it is something I will always remember.
AND you are one of those high speed low drag snake eating if I told you I'd have to kill you sort of guys!
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:43 AM   #20300
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AND you are one of those high speed low drag snake eating if I told you I'd have to kill you sort of guys!
Well, there is that. However, I still think after a life of shooting one platform, one can still have a layoff of even up to years and still get it back quick or even still have it. Of course, not to a level to compete right after a layoff of years, but to be confident CCW after a long period of not hitting the range. Of course, I still shoot a few rounds in my back yard every week though. And I practice drawing all the time.
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:54 AM   #20301
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Well, there is that. However, I still think after a life of shooting one platform, one can still have a layoff of even up to years and still get it back quick or even still have it. Of course, not to a level to compete right after a layoff of years, but to be confident CCW after a long period of not hitting the range. Of course, I still shoot a few rounds in my back yard every week though. And I practice drawing all the time.
I do agree with you, but most people have not had the intensive training that some have (and I won't say all military/police etc have a lot of training either). Training begins with the mindset, and then follow through to actually get out and do it. I put about 500 rounds through my Sig 522 LR this weekend honing my skills. (and a few through the OBR which shoots like a dream!)
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:10 AM   #20302
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When they passed the LEOSA bill, I saw retired cops and federal agents come out of the woodwork talking up how much they used to shoot and how good they were. Then fail to qualify. Badly. So badly it was hard to train them back up because they were so embarrassed they could not get past the equipment excuses. On average they'd been off the range less than 5 years.

Seems like many think a box of 50 every 3 or 6 months adds up to alot more muscle memory than it does. I started out a 230 shooter(250 is clean). I busted ass to become a consistent 248 shooter because I wanted to be an instructor. Now if I skip a month or two, it shows up as about a 10 point drop in a no warmup Q.
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:20 AM   #20303
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When they passed the LEOSA bill, I saw retired cops and federal agents come out of the woodwork talking up how much they used to shoot and how good they were. Then fail to qualify. Badly. So badly it was hard to train them back up because they were so embarrassed they could not get past the equipment excuses. On average they'd been off the range less than 5 years.

Seems like many think a box of 50 every 3 or 6 months adds up to alot more muscle memory than it does. I started out a 230 shooter(250 is clean). I busted ass to become a consistent 248 shooter because I wanted to be an instructor. Now if I skip a month or two, it shows up as about a 10 point drop in a no warmup Q.
I am inclined to agree with this. There is no doubt that a skill acquired earlier in life does create some residual muscle-memory that a person retains to some degree, like skiing or riding a bicycle, you don't totally forget it. But we can become damned rusty.

I know that when I was shooting a lot of IPSC and IDPA back in the 80s until about Y2K, I could run a 1911 in an almost zen-like way. Now I take one to the range and can shoot okay, but I don't have the speed coupled with smoothness that I possessed back then. It seemed like there was a time where I could almost "will" or think my shots onto target, everything would be like slow motion and flow well, but I'm not there now. I would need a lot of practice to get back to that, although probably not as much as I did to acquire it in the first place.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:07 PM   #20304
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to much chatter not enough pics.

lets see some AR builds

what lower and upper etc and why........
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #20305
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to much chatter not enough pics.

lets see some AR builds

what lower and upper etc and why........
You gonna build one? If you are then you might want to head over to www.calguns.net and read up on the whole legal process. There are only a few lowers and combo's that you can't get. Like KAC, DPMS Panther, Bushmaster and most Colts. RRA has a combo that's banned as well but I forget which one it is.

I went with a CMMG lower, RRA lower parts kit. The upper is an LMT. 14.5" w/pinned Comp/FH, etc...
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Old 09-19-2011, 02:19 PM   #20306
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You gonna build one? If you are then you might want to head over to www.calguns.net and read up on the whole legal process. There are only a few lowers and combo's that you can't get. Like KAC, DPMS Panther, Bushmaster and most Colts. RRA has a combo that's banned as well but I forget which one it is.

I went with a CMMG lower, RRA lower parts kit. The upper is an LMT. 14.5" w/pinned Comp/FH, etc...
pricing it out to see if it is an option. Would be nice to do some with one of these.
Will check calguns, thanks.
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Old 09-19-2011, 02:30 PM   #20307
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Has anyone had issues with bullets over seating (?) when closing the slide on a pistol?

Saturday I hit the range with KC and after I got back I was finishing up the tear down/cleaning an took some let over blazer and filled two mags to keep at the ready.

I popped one in my RIA and hit the slide release and it jammed (first time ever).

dropped the mag and cleared the round. Looked at it seemed fine.

Put the mag back in and hit the release and it did it again.

Cleared it again.

I looked more closely at the rounds and compared them to the untouched others in the box and the bullets had been pressed way down into the cartridge taking up what I guess was the empty space left inside.

I chocked it up to being cheap ammo so I unloaded that mag and reloaded it with some Remington UMC I had left over in my bag and popped it in, hit the slide release and it did the same thing.

After that I tried putting the mags in and releasing the slide completely and it seemed fine.


Sound like a fluke with the ammo or is something out of aligment? Both mags seem fine and clean. I did buy a pro mag 8rd mag on friday, but it was the original mag that was having a majority of the trouble.

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Also, anything wrong with these?

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AND you are one of those high speed low drag snake eating if I told you I'd have to kill you sort of guys!
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Old 09-19-2011, 02:44 PM   #20310
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pricing it out to see if it is an option. Would be nice to do some with one of these.
Will check calguns, thanks.
If you want to build it from parts then you can get just about any lower you want. I'd go with a forged lower and not a billet for your first. CMMG, RRA, LMT, Spike, LTB, JD Machine, Stag, S&W, etc... are all good. Most are made at the same place with different markings. I'd stay away from PlumCrazy and BM's Carbon15 which are polymer. Vulcan, Hesse and Blackthorne are also ones to not buy although they are a bit rare these days.

Lowers are easy to build with minimal tools. Just about anyone can do it. The uppers are a bit more complicated so most just buy a complete upper.

What you'll find with building an AR is that it can be cheaper if you want to go that route, or it can be more expensive. On my build I ended up buying upgraded parts which cost more but I have exactly what I wanted.

If you're really into building then you might consider a 80% forging where you have to do the other 20% with a mill. Cost is going to be about the same as a stripped lower but I really like the building aspect of it all. I really want to do a 80% sooner or later.
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