The I LOVE THIS GUN Thread

[Gernick]

Have M-16's and M-4's started coming down in price?

[HardCase]

Originally Posted by Gernick

Have M-16's and M-4's started coming down in price?

When you use the term M-16 and M-4, I take that to mean you are referring to full-automatic arms. If so, I do not know the answer but imagine The Commander or others might.

If, OTOH, you mean ARs, semi-autos, in general, yes, they've come down in price and are much more available than they were for a year or so following the '08 election.

[CodyY]

Originally Posted by Gernick

Have M-16's and M-4's started coming down in price?

Free with enlistment.


Otherwise you're gonna have to pay about a grand for a quality AR-15

[GoGo Gadget]

Originally Posted by KSJEEPER

I like it...

Problem is, our indoor range is stand, point weapon down range, and fire at a slow rate of speed. No drawing, no speed reloads, etc. So while I feel like that is for sure an area where I could improve, no love at the range.

No worries. With a two handed grip, bring the pistol in towards your chest with it still pointed downrange of course. Then push it forward towards the target, line up the sights and squeeze. After that shot, bring it back in to your chest, then repeat. That approximates the last part of the draw process. Most ranges that prohibit rapid fire do so because yahoos crank off a full mag and walk the rounds into the ceiling, the cables that hold the targets, etc. A single double tap should be fine. So after working on singles, work on doubles.

[FPGT72]

Originally Posted by Gernick

Have M-16's and M-4's started coming down in price?

I agree that "Good" ones seem to hover around the $1000 mark +- ..... years ago I bought a real colt sporter hbar brand spanking new. I don't know how many rounds I have run in the thing, but never a FTE FTF with even the cheapest ammo I have feed it....My friend has a bushmaster...another "GOOD" one and that thing is the most finicky thing. What will not run in his rifle will run just fine in mine...not sure why the difference....mine is going on 20+ years old, his is pretty new. He was telling me I should trade mine in...why...so I could buy a new one that will not run as well as the one I have and be a few hundred ahead....no I will just keep the old one.

I just told him that the Pony is better then the Snake....one will run, the other just slithers

[EvilGenius]

Originally Posted by El Guero

I'm confused

You got to shoot trap in high school.

[El Guero]

Originally Posted by EvilGenius

You got to shoot trap in high school.

Oh, oh that. Yeah, trap is a big deal in Nebraska! Practically every high school I knew had a trap team.

[EvilGenius]

Originally Posted by El Guero

Oh, oh that. Yeah, trap is a big deal in Nebraska! Practically every high school I knew had a trap team.

Growing up in the suburbs sucks.

[Jeffy]

Originally Posted by FPGT72

I agree that "Good" ones seem to hover around the $1000 mark +- ..... years ago I bought a real colt sporter hbar brand spanking new. I don't know how many rounds I have run in the thing, but never a FTE FTF with even the cheapest ammo I have feed it....My friend has a bushmaster...another "GOOD" one and that thing is the most finicky thing. What will not run in his rifle will run just fine in mine...not sure why the difference....mine is going on 20+ years old, his is pretty new. He was telling me I should trade mine in...why...so I could buy a new one that will not run as well as the one I have and be a few hundred ahead....no I will just keep the old one.

I just told him that the Pony is better then the Snake....one will run, the other just slithers

If he's asking about real M16's and M4's then you'll have to add another zero to your price. NFA Class 3 machine guns are not cheap nor will they go down in price as there is a limited number of them. They had to be registered before 1986 IIRC.

Now for your comment; Bushmaster isn't really considered 'Good' anymore More like OK. Back in the day they were considered good because there wasn't much else out there. Compared to DPMS and Olympic Arms, they were good. Not compared to a Colt though. Now a days they're usually considered below companies like S&W, CMMG, Stag, Rock River Arms, Spike's Tactical, etc... From what I've seen, quality hasn't gone up. Even the new ones need work done to be 100% reliable.

Here are some cool NFA machine guns - http://www.impactguns.com/machine-guns.aspx

[BigIron]

Originally Posted by FPGT72

I agree that "Good" ones seem to hover around the $1000 mark +- ..... years ago I bought a real colt sporter hbar brand spanking new. I don't know how many rounds I have run in the thing, but never a FTE FTF with even the cheapest ammo I have feed it....My friend has a bushmaster...another "GOOD" one and that thing is the most finicky thing. What will not run in his rifle will run just fine in mine...not sure why the difference....mine is going on 20+ years old, his is pretty new. He was telling me I should trade mine in...why...so I could buy a new one that will not run as well as the one I have and be a few hundred ahead....no I will just keep the old one.

I just told him that the Pony is better then the Snake....one will run, the other just slithers

I had the same discussion a while back: Mine: older, basic Colt AR. His: something else (I think it was an Oly) with a bunch of the latest gadgets.

After trading guns a couple of times, no contest. Something is very right about those Colt ARs. YMMV.

[El Guero]

Originally Posted by EvilGenius

Growing up in the suburbs sucks.

I grew up in a town of 250,000 people

http://www.cornhusker-trap.com/

Says they had 1,900 middle/high school kids this year. That's approximately 0.1% of the whole population of Nebraska

[EvilGenius]

Originally Posted by El Guero

I grew up in a town of 250,000 people

http://www.cornhusker-trap.com/

Says they had 1,900 middle/high school kids this year. That's approximately 0.1% of the whole population of Nebraska

Just gimmie my moment, dammit!

[Danjal]

Originally Posted by Jeffy

Well the 887 isn't replacing the 870. The 887 seems to be going up against the Benelli (Super) Nova. The biggest advantage of the 870 is all of the aftermarket parts. It's a tough shotgun with a long history. The 887 is supposed to be more weather resistant though. Not a fan of all the plastic. Haven't seen one in person though. I really like the 870 Wingmaster.

Its sad Dupont isnt making the finish anymore. Those were good years for them.

[Gernick]

Heh heh heh.

Yeah. I still want a civie AR. Probably a carbine. Sweet jesus there is a lot to know. The core rifle I get, it's all the bells and whistles that make me go .

[Jeffy]

Originally Posted by Danjal

Its sad Dupont isnt making the finish anymore. Those were good years for them.

DuPont owned a large stake in Remington till '93, IIRC. I prefer the parkerized Police Magnum though I wouldn't turn down an old Weathered Wingmaster.

Originally Posted by Gernick

Heh heh heh.

Yeah. I still want a civie AR. Probably a carbine. Sweet jesus there is a lot to know. The core rifle I get, it's all the bells and whistles that make me go .

There are a lot of parts out there at just about every price point. You just have to stay away from the airsoft knockoffs. Get a rifle from a respectable company and you shouldn't have problems with it. Leave it alone or dress it up. It can get expensive fast though especially if you want to good stuff.