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Old 12-14-2011, 07:27 AM   #22516
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Interesting. I had not thought about the fact that the rear projectile would go right through the channel the first opened.

But....

a) I bet that is at close range. The duplexes I have seen had a very slight non-perpendicular (to the bullet longitudinal axis) base so that the offset of impact would prevent the rear projectile from hitting in the same spot. The whole idea behind the cartridge was to increase hit probability by having the second projectile hit in a slightly different spot.

b) With bones and muscle, the second projectile wouldn't just go right on through. The flesh would be disrupted, but I think it would still have a tough time penetrating - not an easy time like in that video.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:31 AM   #22517
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Interesting. I had not thought about the fact that the rear projectile would go right through the channel the first opened.

But....

a) I bet that is at close range. The duplexes I have seen had a very slight non-perpendicular (to the bullet longitudinal axis) base so that the offset of impact would prevent the rear projectile from hitting in the same spot. The whole idea behind the cartridge was to increase hit probability by having the second projectile hit in a slightly different spot.

b) With bones and muscle, the second projectile wouldn't just go right on through. The flesh would be disrupted, but I think it would still have a tough time penetrating - not an easy time like in that video.
I figured they would want them to go along the same path so it would increase effectiveness against body armor or light cover.

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Old 12-14-2011, 08:31 AM   #22518
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Here is a good discussion on pistol cartridge lever guns from the 1911 forum:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=90565
Personally I would emphasize the smoothness and strength of the Marlin 1894 and 1895, but then again I am slightly biased.
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:36 AM   #22519
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Cool!

Which would you prefer? (looking at the 3.5" model)

Whats the difference with the triggers?
The CZ75 Compact has a steel frame, just like its full-size heavy-ass brudder.

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I would love to have an SP-01. I'm probably gonna spend my x-mas money on a brace of SP-01 mags so's I can carry 58 rounds on me. Too bad they aren't legal in USPSA unless they're used in an SP-01.

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Old 12-14-2011, 08:52 AM   #22520
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Got me a Fifty! Ok, well it's not a bmg, but wouldn't wanna feed one of those anyway.
1870s vintage Rolling Block in 50/70.


Bore is excellent, it will need a good tang sight one day, and I'm going to rust blue all the big parts. Saltpeter on the way to nitre blue all the screws and bits to set it off. I got the name of a highly recommended smith that is going to case harden the reciever for me. Dunno how I evolved or devolved from a rabid WWII milsurp fan to big ol' BPCRs, but here we are.
Here's a pic of some work he's done on a similar vintage RB, this is the what I'm hoping it will look like whan I'm done...


Hee.
Any 50/70 fans out there?
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:54 AM   #22521
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Here is a good discussion on pistol cartridge lever guns from the 1911 forum:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=90565
Personally I would emphasize the smoothness and strength of the Marlin 1894 and 1895, but then again I am slightly biased.
You should try a Henry. Makes even a Marlin feel grittey and notchy.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:03 AM   #22522
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:08 AM   #22523
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By the way, I caught the newest episode of 'American Guns' last night (after visiting their shop last week). The part about building a Yellow Boy was pretty interesting but the bimbos shooting with the local firemen was really dumb. I guess I have to visit the shop again and give the guys some advice on how to make the show better for an intellectual audience like us guys.
I saw the same episode. I was very surprised that those "expert gun smiths" who built the yellow bow didn't either have or bother to use a go / no go gauge on the rifle. That would have shown them the headspace issue they built into the gun. Pretty darn silly IMO.

I wonder how the real fat 'smith gets through the doors of the shop and into the basement. At least I assume it's a basement shop.

I had to mute the part where the wife and daughter were hosting the shooting trip with the firemen. I got real tired of hearing the wife's screechy voice very fast. Pretty silly comments as well.

Since you went to the shop, how were the prices? They seem to spend a lot of time dealing with what are supposedly millionaire customers and that jet helo can't be cheap either.
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:08 AM   #22524
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Got me a Fifty! Ok, well it's not a bmg, but wouldn't wanna feed one of those anyway.
1870s vintage Rolling Block in 50/70.


Bore is excellent, it will need a good tang sight one day, and I'm going to rust blue all the big parts.
Really? Reblue? As nice as that one is and as old, I'd leave it as original as possible. If you reblue it, you will reduce the value quite a bit.
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:30 AM   #22525
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It's already a sporterized military rifle, barrel is cut and recrowned, chopped wood. Not worth a ton, and full military config ones are a dime a dozen in these parts. I'm a milsurp guy. Trust me, I'm not bubbaing anything that ain't awreddy done.
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:44 AM   #22526
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Really? Reblue? As nice as that one is and as old, I'd leave it as original as possible. If you reblue it, you will reduce the value quite a bit.
Not that rifle it won't This is a common misnomer that a refinish will reduce value. ONLY will it do so on very collectable firearms, and even then, it depends. The (NIB Never shot) one is not all true either.
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Old 12-14-2011, 11:53 AM   #22527
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This goofy question might fit in this thread...

In '93 or so a friend talked me into buying a Bushmaster AR15 kit and assembling it. It was a great, no frills rifle.

Flash forward (feeling kind of old here) eighteen years. After a long family-related hiatus from guns, I have dived back into it... My no frills carbine (It has a carry handle. How embarassing is that?) with a 1/9 barrel is like a Model T! Plus the once renowned Bushmaster name has become known for garbage /budget guns.

Here are some options I would appreciate input on:

1. Sell it (I think a pre-ban is worth around six or seven hundred) and buy a Spikes or PSA 14 inch with a pinned flashhider, flat top and mid length gas system.

2. Just get a new upper like what I described above and live with a mismatched rifle. Bushmaster and.,.

3. Forget the new stuff and enjoy my classic rifle. The new ones will always be available.

Thanks for your input. I can't promise I'll follow it but I hope to find something insightful.

Redne
It still is a great no frills rifle! I have a similar one I built in the late 80s. Great no frills classic AR, shoots sub MOA, and reliable. I vote for #3.
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Old 12-14-2011, 12:17 PM   #22528
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It's already a sporterized military rifle, barrel is cut and recrowned, chopped wood. Not worth a ton, and full military config ones are a dime a dozen in these parts. I'm a milsurp guy. Trust me, I'm not bubbaing anything that ain't awreddy done.
In that case, go ahead. Make it pretty.
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Old 12-14-2011, 12:28 PM   #22529
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Got me a Fifty! Ok, well it's not a bmg, but wouldn't wanna feed one of those anyway.
1870s vintage Rolling Block in 50/70.


Bore is excellent, it will need a good tang sight one day, and I'm going to rust blue all the big parts. Saltpeter on the way to nitre blue all the screws and bits to set it off. I got the name of a highly recommended smith that is going to case harden the reciever for me. Dunno how I evolved or devolved from a rabid WWII milsurp fan to big ol' BPCRs, but here we are.
Here's a pic of some work he's done on a similar vintage RB, this is the what I'm hoping it will look like whan I'm done...


Hee.
Any 50/70 fans out there?
What's with the two hammers?
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:08 PM   #22530
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What's with the two hammers?
One's a hammer, one's the rolling block bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_block
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