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Old 04-30-2012, 04:45 PM   #24991
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Unfortunately even though it IS a 1911 clone of sorts, it IS a rim fire and one should NEVER dry fire a rim firs weapon.
You missed the point. Ruger 10/22s are OK to dry fire. I have done it hundreds and hundreds of time while honing trigger parts. Also the Ruger .22 pistols MK II and III are OK to dry fire. I would not have gotten anything done on trigger work on my 10/22s without hundreds of dry fires. Do your research and you won't be making a blanket statement. To reiterate, though, the GSG 1911 will once in awhile break a firing pin and the breech plate can be slightly buggered. I have dry fired my first GSG many times and still can see no evidence for any problem on the breech plate.
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:48 PM   #24992
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if one really needs to dry firs a .22, you can get snap caps in .22 I THINK and you can always use a spent shell and rotate it by hand.
If I were really worried about scratching up the breech plate on a .22 I would use a piece of shim stock (.005) cut to fit in the breech. Using a spent shell is kind of tedious and after it is hit a couple of times the indentation is such you have to rotate it. Too much trouble. I only dry fire to test trigger work usually.
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:38 PM   #24993
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Dropping the slide on an empty 1911 is hard on the extractor.
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Old 04-30-2012, 06:42 PM   #24994
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1911 question.

I stopped at a local shop that had a Dan Wesson Valor and asked to see it. The store has a hard and fast rule that you can't drop the slide with just the slide release, you must use your hand to ease the slide forward and you can only test fire the gun once.

Are the high end 1911's that intolerant or is this some urban legend? I think nothing of dry firing my Springfield and dropping the slide, but clearly its much looser. I've had my Springfield for well over 10 years now and it shoots as well today as it did when I bought it.

I've always wanted a well built 1911, but if they are that finicky or susceptible to rough handling I think I'll be better off with my rough and always ready Springfield.
For the money thats a very nice 1911. I'd like to see how one shots compared to my Brown.
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Old 04-30-2012, 07:17 PM   #24995
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For the money thats a very nice 1911. I'd like to see how one shots compared to my Brown.
I was kind of surprised at the price. This shop, while convenient in location, is generally more expensive than other shops located further away (funny how it always works out that way). The CZ-USA shows the Dan Wesson Valor MSRP of $2012, but the shop had it available for $1899. I would have expected this particular shop to have the gun listed at MSRP.

I'm very tempted, but $1900 is a lot of money to me.
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Old 04-30-2012, 07:42 PM   #24996
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I'm very tempted, but $1900 is a lot of money to me.
If you figure your going to have it for the rest of your life and you want a gun that won't have issues like Kimbers, LOL, and is half the price of a Wilson, you won't go wrong. I bought my Brown for IDPA CDP and love it.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:40 PM   #24997
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Solely an anal shop owner (rightfully so) who wants to keep the expensive inventory pristine so he can sell it without some schmoe saying hey man, this gun has been handled too much, can you either give me half off or sell me a NEW one? In reality, you'll probably never notice a 1911 has been slide dropped or dry fired 5 zillion times, but the owner of the shop doesn't want to answer any fool questions about taking money off for a handled gun.
I'd rather buy a good used gun with a few rounds through it. Just me. A brand new gun is a big question mark. I don't care who "breathed", on it. I've worked up more than a few 1911's in days gone by and I only trust the 1911's I've personally tested and worked on. Period.

P.S. I keep a Glock 19 in my night stand. That plastic framed, "piece of crap", will go "bang", no matter what. All the "boutique" 1911's out there are cool, but when the rubber has to hit the road, well..... you make your choices and take your chances.
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:37 AM   #24998
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For the money thats a very nice 1911. I'd like to see how one shots compared to my Brown.
I have seen a couple of Remington 1911 R1s lately at $700 which seems like a good deal. I know they are not up to the accuracy and performance of some of the higher priced .45s but I would like to get one for historical reasons if nothing else. Only thing stopping me is my pistol reloading is devoted to my Ruger Bisley now and I don't want to load for two .45s. The trigger on the Remys seem pretty darn good to start with and the finish is very nice.
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:42 AM   #24999
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Anyone ever shot a Anderson Ar rifle made in KY ? What is the deal with the "no oil" and does it work?
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:43 AM   #25000
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I'd rather buy a good used gun with a few rounds through it. Just me. A brand new gun is a big question mark. I don't care who "breathed", on it. I've worked up more than a few 1911's in days gone by and I only trust the 1911's I've personally tested and worked on. Period.

P.S. I keep a Glock 19 in my night stand. That plastic framed, "piece of crap", will go "bang", no matter what. All the "boutique" 1911's out there are cool, but when the rubber has to hit the road, well..... you make your choices and take your chances.
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To each their own I guess, I have had Glocks and the G22 was the only gun I ever had problems with and made me feel unsafe to carry. I will also add that I have had probably 200 1911s in my life and NEVER had a malfunction that wasn't due to a mag, or a bad round of which I have only had one of.
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:49 AM   #25001
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If you figure your going to have it for the rest of your life and you want a gun that won't have issues like Kimbers, LOL, and is half the price of a Wilson, you won't go wrong. I bought my Brown for IDPA CDP and love it.
Not all Kimbers have problems. My Ultra functions flawlessly. The problem ones were those with an external extractor.
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:36 AM   #25002
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Not all Kimbers have problems. My Ultra functions flawlessly. The problem ones were those with an external extractor.
Mine too, all ten of them I had. And I can say, most of the cxrap you hear about 1911s malfunctioning is from limpwristing them or mag related problems. And all other problems that are shooter or gear related can easily be fixed.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:08 AM   #25003
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I have seen a couple of Remington 1911 R1s lately at $700 which seems like a good deal. I know they are not up to the accuracy and performance of some of the higher priced .45s but I would like to get one for historical reasons if nothing else. Only thing stopping me is my pistol reloading is devoted to my Ruger Bisley now and I don't want to load for two .45s. The trigger on the Remys seem pretty darn good to start with and the finish is very nice.

I picked up mine about a month or so for $608 out the door at a gun show...new in the box. I know that price can vary from location to location.

I don't know about accuracy but I know I can hit 6" plates with ease if I don't jerk the pistol....and I have a problem with that. I can hit stuff with my eyes closed with the 92, but with this I have to do more work...it is not effortless.

So far I have about 300 or so rounds in it and a pile of brass to reload, and not one single problem.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:55 AM   #25004
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Mine too, all ten of them I had. And I can say, most of the cxrap you hear about 1911s malfunctioning is from limpwristing them or mag related problems. And all other problems that are shooter or gear related can easily be fixed.
From what I've read, a lot of the problems seem to stem from someone buying a $1000+ super tight tolerance 1911 and then going to some sort of several day long tactical training school and have them start to jam about every 1.5-2k rds. They then get disappointed and start badmouthing the guns when just a regular GI style 1911 couldve done the whole thing with ease. But its too late for them, they only buy glocks now.
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:21 PM   #25005
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From what I've read, a lot of the problems seem to stem from someone buying a $1000+ super tight tolerance 1911 and then going to some sort of several day long tactical training school and have them start to jam about every 1.5-2k rds. They then get disappointed and start badmouthing the guns when just a regular GI style 1911 couldve done the whole thing with ease. But its too late for them, they only buy glocks now.
Something else the 1911 has to contend with as far as reputation, is a wide variety of makers and quality levels.

The Glock is made by Glock. Period.

A 1911 could be anything from a low-end 30 year old gun to a high-end custom made last week. Bound to get a wider variety of 'range reports' from them vs a gun of singular manufacture and origin.
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