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Old 05-01-2012, 12:57 PM   #25006
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From what I've read, a lot of the problems seem to stem from someone buying a $1000+ super tight tolerance 1911 and then going to some sort of several day long tactical training school and have them start to jam about every 1.5-2k rds. They then get disappointed and start badmouthing the guns when just a regular GI style 1911 couldve done the whole thing with ease. But its too late for them, they only buy glocks now.
IMHO, anyone who says that they have a 1911 that has never jammed/malfunctioned simply hasn't shot it enough. They all jam eventually. I shot IPSC and some IDPA (where I only used a revolver, but most other shooters were using some sort of semi-auto) with a local club for 1 1/2 decades and everyone's gun jammed at some point, often quite frequently.

That said, I do have a SA EMP, a scaled down "officer's model" 1911, chambered in 9x19 which has yet to jam. But it only has about 800 rounds through it so far.

Back in my IPSC days, or at least the last 5 years of them, I mostly shot an STI Edge chambered in 40 S&W. Because of the 175 power-factor to "make Major" in those days, I loaded it damned hot. I remember doing an extensive practice session one Friday evening where I probably put 300 rounds through the gun, then a two-day match commenced the next day. I'd guess we fired 150 rounds per day and on the second day of the match, just one stage to go, my gun just totally seized halfway through the stage, so I got a DNF (did not finish) for the stage, essentially a zero, taking me out of the hardware. The gun was so dry that it took a plastic mallet to remove the slide. A thorough dousing with BreakFree and it was functioning like clockwork. So my experience from that and observing the similar experiences of others is that a 1911 needs lube every 500 rounds or so. And a real thorough cleaning at about 800-1000.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:14 PM   #25007
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A thorough dousing with BreakFree and it was functioning like clockwork. So my experience from that and observing the similar experiences of others is that a 1911 needs lube every 500 rounds or so. And a real thorough cleaning at about 800-1000.
I'd agree with this... My Stainless Kimber will jam if I let it get real dry.
A spray down, soak, and wipe off with Amsoil MP and it is flawless
(no other work to any part of the mechanisms.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:19 PM   #25008
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I guess since I always keep all my 1911s clean and lubed as a part of the 1911 I have never had that problem, nor thought too much about it. I do this with all my guns though.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:29 PM   #25009
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Mine too, all ten of them I had. And I can say, most of the cxrap you hear about 1911s malfunctioning is from limpwristing them or mag related problems. And all other problems that are shooter or gear related can easily be fixed.
There are two things that people will never admit to. One is limpwristing, and the other is flinching.

The light aluminum framed guns are especially intolerant of limpwristing because being lighter, they have less inertia and must be held more rigidly to prevent short stroking.

As far as magazines go, use new quality mags like McCormick or Ed Brown. They're configured to feed modern bullet shapes. Older and military mags are designed to feed round nose full jacketed bullets only and may or may not be reliable with SWC or hollowpoints.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:33 PM   #25010
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There are two things that people will never admit to. One is limpwristing, and the other is flinching.

The light aluminum framed guns are especially intolerant of limpwristing because being lighter, they have less inertia and must be held more rigidly to prevent short stroking.

As far as magazines go, use new quality mags like McCormick or Ed Brown. They're configured to feed modern bullet shapes. Older and military mags are designed to feed round nose full jacketed bullets only and may or may not be reliable with SWC or hollowpoints.
I'd say in the last 20 odd years, I have only used quality mags and leave the stockers loaded in a BOB with ball only. At least they (stock mags) function reasonably well with ball 230gr fodder well enough. I'll still mever carry a 1911 with anything but a CMC mag in it that I have already proven to be reliable with that certain type ammo.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:34 PM   #25011
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BTW all this 1911 talk and I haven't even broken in my Scorpion 1911R yet and have had it like 6 months or longer! Sure shoots like a 5K gun though....
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:48 PM   #25012
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I have two 1911s I haven't fired yet. One is the 1911 original GI issue replica Colt made a few years ago, and the other is also a 1911 GI issue made in 1918. It has been through a WWII arsenal rework and never fired since. I have the paperwork from the owner showing that it was acquired from the DCM and cost $17.00.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:49 PM   #25013
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I guess since I always keep all my 1911s clean and lubed as a part of the 1911 I have never had that problem, nor thought too much about it. I do this with all my guns though.
Odd thing that I noticed about that STI Edge 40 was that it seemed to like being a little dirty. Right after I'd disassemble and clean it, it seemed like it would often malfunction a time or two until it was "shot in" as it were. I'm not sure what the deal was, but it was definitely a pattern. Once the gun had a few mags through it, it was as reliable as a hammer for a long time. I got to where I'd just squirt a little lube into the nooks and crannies periodically, and keep shooting, and it'd go that way for a very long time until it just started to gum up. I remember this substance almost like tar would start dripping out of it once it got real funky. I put 1500 rounds through it one weekend and just lubed it several times. I used most of a can of brake cleaner to clean it up after that.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:01 PM   #25014
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Odd thing that I noticed about that STI Edge 40 was that it seemed to like being a little dirty. Right after I'd disassemble and clean it, it seemed like it would often malfunction a time or two until it was "shot in" as it were. I'm not sure what the deal was, but it was definitely a pattern. Once the gun had a few mags through it, it was as reliable as a hammer for a long time. I got to where I'd just squirt a little lube into the nooks and crannies periodically, and keep shooting, and it'd go that way for a very long time until it just started to gum up. I remember this substance almost like tar would start dripping out of it once it got real funky. I put 1500 rounds through it one weekend and just lubed it several times. I used most of a can of brake cleaner to clean it up after that.
I actually use a can of rusty duck or brake cleaner ( which rusty duck is!) to clean crud off 1911s at the range if I am there most of the day.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:33 PM   #25015
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IMHO, anyone who says that they have a 1911 that has never jammed/malfunctioned simply hasn't shot it enough. They all jam eventually. I shot IPSC and some IDPA (where I only used a revolver, but most other shooters were using some sort of semi-auto) with a local club for 1 1/2 decades and everyone's gun jammed at some point, often quite frequently.

That said, I do have a SA EMP, a scaled down "officer's model" 1911, chambered in 9x19 which has yet to jam. But it only has about 800 rounds through it so far.

Back in my IPSC days, or at least the last 5 years of them, I mostly shot an STI Edge chambered in 40 S&W. Because of the 175 power-factor to "make Major" in those days, I loaded it damned hot. I remember doing an extensive practice session one Friday evening where I probably put 300 rounds through the gun, then a two-day match commenced the next day. I'd guess we fired 150 rounds per day and on the second day of the match, just one stage to go, my gun just totally seized halfway through the stage, so I got a DNF (did not finish) for the stage, essentially a zero, taking me out of the hardware. The gun was so dry that it took a plastic mallet to remove the slide. A thorough dousing with BreakFree and it was functioning like clockwork. So my experience from that and observing the similar experiences of others is that a 1911 needs lube every 500 rounds or so. And a real thorough cleaning at about 800-1000.
So lack of reasonable maintenance resulting a possible jam makes it a unreliable gun deserving of the "i'll shoot it, but I wont trust my life with it" attitude everyone seems to give it?

Most folks with AR-15s get about the same round count between cleanings before they start jamming. I guess its unreliable as well.

Hell, not cleaning or lubing for at least 500rds seems lazy to me.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:20 PM   #25016
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Something else the 1911 has to contend with as far as reputation, is a wide variety of makers and quality levels.

The Glock is made by Glock. Period.

A 1911 could be anything from a low-end 30 year old gun to a high-end custom made last week. Bound to get a wider variety of 'range reports' from them vs a gun of singular manufacture and origin.
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So lack of reasonable maintenance resulting a possible jam makes it a unreliable gun deserving of the "i'll shoot it, but I wont trust my life with it" attitude everyone seems to give it?

Most folks with AR-15s get about the same round count between cleanings before they start jamming. I guess its unreliable as well.

Hell, not cleaning or lubing for at least 500rds seems lazy to me.



My buddy traded a relatively inexpensive pistol to a friend for a beautiful 1911 combat comander in nickel due to that very reason. I know I fired that 1911 in 1990 so it was made before then.
Our mutual friend that owned the gun hadn't cleaned it in a long time and got frustrated with it jamming and practically begged him to do the trade.
The guy who has it now maintains it properly and never has a problem with it. Even if it isn't fired he will clean it every so often because just being in the holster and exposed to life.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:55 PM   #25018
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My buddy traded a relatively inexpensive pistol to a friend for a beautiful 1911 combat comander in nickel due to that very reason. I know I fired that 1911 in 1990 so it was made before then.
Our mutual friend that owned the gun hadn't cleaned it in a long time and got frustrated with it jamming and practically begged him to do the trade.
The guy who has it now maintains it properly and never has a problem with it. Even if it isn't fired he will clean it every so often because just being in the holster and exposed to life.

Let me guess, the guy owns a glock now, the toyota corolla of handguns.
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There were a couple 1911's in my last class a colt and a kimber. The colt's front sight flew off at around 400 rounds and the kimber couldn't get though 2 magazines in a row, that guy went back to his Glock.

All the Glocks got through 600 rounds flawlessly.
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There were a couple 1911's in my last class a colt and a kimber. The colt's front sight flew off at around 400 rounds and the kimber couldn't get though 2 magazines in a row, that guy went back to his Glock.

All the Glocks got through 600 rounds flawlessly.

My Glock has also performed flawlessly.

My 92FS stovepiped about 5 of the first 50 rounds, so I took it to a local gunsmith. When I picked it up he told me that he didn't do anything to it. He said that it was just well-made, with tight tolerances. He suggested that I oil it profusely for the first few boxes of shells, until it "shot-in". I've had it for 15 years. and it hasn't missed a beat since the first month.
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