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Old 08-08-2012, 06:46 PM   #26356
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Yeah, that is a fear of mine.

Also another reason why I like the idea of having something other than a trigger safety/no safety at all.
Yeah, call me chicken but I never carried a revolver with the hammer cocked and I sure as hell ain't carrying a semi auto with one chambered. Learn to draw and put one in the chamber as one motion.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:55 PM   #26357
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Yeah, call me chicken but I never carried a revolver with the hammer cocked and I sure as hell ain't carrying a semi auto with one chambered. Learn to draw and put one in the chamber as one motion.
I disagree, but to each his own.

A modern semiauto with one in the chamber is pretty damned safe.

Carrying a gun without a round in the chamber kind of defeats the purpose, IMO. Might as well carry a club instead.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:09 PM   #26358
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I disagree, but to each his own.

A modern semiauto with one in the chamber is pretty damned safe.

Carrying a gun without a round in the chamber kind of defeats the purpose, IMO. Might as well carry a club instead.
I carry a 1911 with one up the spout, cocked and locked. There are 3 safeties: Applied (thumb), grip, and firing pin.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:09 PM   #26359
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Although I typically carry with the hammer back, the safety off and one in the chamber, the time it takes to chamber a semi-auto round adds less than a second from holster to ready to fire. Practice makes perfect.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:11 PM   #26360
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Although I typically carry with the hammer back, the safety off and one in the chamber, the time it takes to chamber a semi-auto round adds less than a second from holster to ready to fire. Practice makes perfect.
OK if you have the use of BOTH hands.........
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:12 PM   #26361
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Although I typically carry with the hammer back, the safety off and one in the chamber, the time it takes to chamber a semi-auto round adds less than a second from holster to ready to fire. Practice makes perfect.
What if you are using one hand to hold off an attacker while you are drawing your weapon?


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Old 08-08-2012, 07:13 PM   #26362
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i carry a 1911 with one up the spout, cocked and locked. There are 3 safeties: Applied (thumb), grip, and firing pin.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:36 PM   #26363
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Flame on.

Bottom line, treat every weapon like it is loaded. If you live by that mentality, then there should be no fear in actually carrying a loaded firearm.

An unloaded gun is about as useful as a rock. If you are putting yourself in a situation where you think you might need it, then you're wrong already. I've had two friends shot in Fayetteville NC over the last year, and I assure you NEITHER of them had a chance to chamber a round. Their weapons weren't used as a means of not getting shot, but rather a means of not getting shot a second time.

Good thing they were carrying a loaded weapon, because I doubt they thought they were going to need to use it at home and at a gas station. That first shot comes fast people. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are faster than the guy who you don't know is coming.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:48 PM   #26364
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The down side to one in the chamber with a semi auto is that if the fight is a fist fight / back street rumble and the attacker tries to pull your gun it can discharge as he is grabbing for it. Chances are 50% it will hit you as you wrestle for the firearm in that case.
In Ohio you can't escalate first in self defense so unless they have a weapon you're SOL. I'd like to think I'm strong/ big enough to manhandle most people but why risk a loaded gun in that case.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:09 PM   #26365
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I disagree, but to each his own.

A modern semiauto with one in the chamber is pretty damned safe.

Carrying a gun without a round in the chamber kind of defeats the purpose, IMO. Might as well carry a club instead.
While one can argue the approx 1 second it takes to chamber a round, and whether that amount of time is substantive... comparing 15 rounds of HP ready to chamber a round, to carrying a club is a less-than-apt comparison.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:32 PM   #26366
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Although I typically carry with the hammer back, the safety off and one in the chamber, the time it takes to chamber a semi-auto round adds less than a second from holster to ready to fire. Practice makes perfect.
That's an AD waiting to happen. Why do you have the safety off?
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:39 PM   #26367
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That's an AD waiting to happen. Why do you have the safety off?
ALWAYS TREAT A GUN AS LOADED AND USE THE SAFETY!
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:39 PM   #26368
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That's an AD waiting to happen. Why do you have the safety off?
I misspoke. I have a 1911 with the thumb safety off. I carry it with a round chambered and the thumb safety disengaged and the hammer back. I still have the grip safety. It's no less safe than a Glock or S&W and in my opinion inherently more safe with the grip safety. It does not fire by trigger without "gripping" the firearm. I've carried for years this way and in my opinion it's not an AD waiting to happen any more than any of the trigger systems being used around the world, and in fact it's less like to AD. Sorry if I was confusing in my previous post.
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:48 PM   #26369
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I think his cred as a teacher went way down after he shot himself. But he kept trying.....
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:10 PM   #26370
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I disagree, but to each his own.

A modern semiauto with one in the chamber is pretty damned safe.

Carrying a gun without a round in the chamber kind of defeats the purpose, IMO. Might as well carry a club instead.
A 1911 with an empty chamber is no club. I think that's the condition they carry semi-autos in the Israeli Defense Forces, and that was the way we carried the 1911 when I was in the Army (medic). In addition, at my club we did some IPSC matches where we started certain stages with an empty chamber and it was amazing how quickly you could draw, rack the slide, and begin shooting once you were a little accustomed/trained to do so. Good shooters didn't give up more than a few tenths of a second to a cocked and locked draw.

I'm not saying that is the ideal way to carry a 1911, but there are times when I have done so and I have not felt poorly armed.
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