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Old 10-10-2012, 03:21 AM   #27046
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In unrelated news, got to fondle a Finnish Moist Nugget for the first time the other day.

Wow. The first thing I noticed was the distance markings on the rear sight were not evenly placed, more of a logarithmic scale. The second was the stock is much heavier. Fit and finnish was waaaay better too. Like comparing a Honda scooter to a Chinese scooter.
I was admiring one at the last show that was made by Remington sometime in the teens I believe. Much nicer than my pre-WWII Tula hex receiver I think. The $600 price tag kept things in perspective, though.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:02 AM   #27047
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I was admiring one at the last show that was made by Remington sometime in the teens I believe. Much nicer than my pre-WWII Tula hex receiver I think. The $600 price tag kept things in perspective, though.
$600 and it's still a Nagant, with the Nagant "safety."
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:12 AM   #27048
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why? .....
Sorry not going to quote the entire thing....but you said you quit carrying it. I assumed you liked that style of gun and from your post...and I read it as to sound a little sad that you did quit carrying the gun because of the reliability issues you had.

I own one of the little Bersa pistols, and it has ate everything....and I do mean everything....even the most rot-gut steel cased russian ammo with no problems at all, and yes that does include several types of "defence" ammo. It has never ever failed to go bang.

Presonally I do not think that the 380 is under powered, I think that a great deal of this CCW stuff is a great deal like "big dick syndrome" its gotta have a 4 and a 5 in it or it ain't no darn good....that is pure bull shit and everyone knows it. I know I will hit what I aim at with a 380 or 32 and I know I will be able to follow up if that is nessary..... 32 was good enough for Gen Patton then it is good enough for me ....and I also know that if I do hit what I aim at the target is not going to like it......but I am not going to go any further down this hole.

I just brought up this as a choice for you in lieu of the un-reliable ppk you talked about above....I just figured that after you said it was a great carry gun and you quit after it jammed and no longer trust it, that you liked the pistol and knew that the round was quite effective....

sorry my bad.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:13 AM   #27049
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$600 and it's still a Nagant, with the Nagant "safety."
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:16 AM   #27050
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I was admiring one at the last show that was made by Remington sometime in the teens I believe. Much nicer than my pre-WWII Tula hex receiver I think. The $600 price tag kept things in perspective, though.
Check it over very close....I was amazed in talking to someone that is really into these rifles that people are making fake american rifles.

If it is a remington or westinghouse you are going to be ok with the modern ammo....provided you even want to shoot the thing. GOOD american rifles are pretty darn hard to find.....and if you can find one that is still long....remember those are longer then the 91/30's then you have a bonus.

If the rifle is in real good shape, nice and crisp markings.....NO import marks then I would say it is a good price.....this is not your run of the mill $99 crate rifle.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:24 AM   #27051
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In unrelated news, got to fondle a Finnish Moist Nugget for the first time the other day.

Wow. The first thing I noticed was the distance markings on the rear sight were not evenly placed, more of a logarithmic scale. The second was the stock is much heavier. Fit and finnish was waaaay better too. Like comparing a Honda scooter to a Chinese scooter.
That sounds like a converted Arshin scale sight. Did it look like this?



Or this?



Fit and finnish will be better, generally more accurate. Trigger will be worlds different too. Lots of info here.

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Yup. Depending on what it was, $600 could be cheap. Or a horribly inflated gun show price
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:33 AM   #27052
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H&R numero dos!!!! :)

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Old 10-10-2012, 11:27 AM   #27053
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Sorry not going to quote the entire thing....but you said you quit carrying it. I assumed you liked that style of gun and from your post...and I read it as to sound a little sad that you did quit carrying the gun because of the reliability issues you had.

I own one of the little Bersa pistols, and it has ate everything....and I do mean everything....even the most rot-gut steel cased russian ammo with no problems at all, and yes that does include several types of "defence" ammo. It has never ever failed to go bang.

Presonally I do not think that the 380 is under powered, I think that a great deal of this CCW stuff is a great deal like "big dick syndrome" its gotta have a 4 and a 5 in it or it ain't no darn good....that is pure bull shit and everyone knows it. I know I will hit what I aim at with a 380 or 32 and I know I will be able to follow up if that is nessary..... 32 was good enough for Gen Patton then it is good enough for me ....and I also know that if I do hit what I aim at the target is not going to like it......but I am not going to go any further down this hole.

I just brought up this as a choice for you in lieu of the un-reliable ppk you talked about above....I just figured that after you said it was a great carry gun and you quit after it jammed and no longer trust it, that you liked the pistol and knew that the round was quite effective....

sorry my bad.
thanks for the clarification ... all very valid points. sure .380 is under powered as compared to other available rounds. but fact is a .22 accurately placed will probably do the job.

if you can reliably place ALL your bullets within a pie plate at 15yds, each and every time. then I'd say your weapon is up to the job.

if you are dead comfortable with your Bersa digesting any and all rounds. great! personally would not be comfortable with depending on any auto pistol to reliably feed. until I've send a couple hundred rounds down the barrel. that translates into $300-$400 for defensive ammo. very few folks I know are ready to dump that kind of $$$.

fully loaded my PPK was just too heavy comfortably carry for long. we all can agree the best weapon is the one on your person. your super duper .44 mag is worthless in the gun safe, if you need it NOW!
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:40 AM   #27054
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thanks for the clarification ... all very valid points. sure .380 is under powered as compared to other available rounds. but fact is a .22 accurately placed will probably do the job.

if you can reliably place ALL your bullets within a pie plate at 15yds, each and every time. then I'd say your weapon is up to the job.

if you are dead comfortable with your Bersa digesting any and all rounds. great! personally would not be comfortable with depending on any auto pistol to reliably feed. until I've send a couple hundred rounds down the barrel. that translates into $300-$400 for defensive ammo. very few folks I know are ready to dump that kind of $$$.

fully loaded my PPK was just too heavy comfortably carry for long. we all can agree the best weapon is the one on your person. your super duper .44 mag is worthless in the gun safe, if you need it NOW!
I think that a wheel gun is going to be as claw hammer reliable as you can get. The thing that is IMHO the biggest cause of problems in auto guns is the part that goes in and out, has the spring, holds the bullets....so much can go wrong with the simple mag that it is the real weak link in the system.....and you really don't know it will give you problems till you have the problem....then you will spend time trying to figure out if the mag is really the problem before you decide to toss mag #4 into the trash can....you have no idea how bad I want to call it a clip just for the fun of it.

Right now I am using a 32....it is about all I can handle with my current health problems.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:24 PM   #27055
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I think that a wheel gun is going to be as claw hammer reliable as you can get. The thing that is IMHO the biggest cause of problems in auto guns is the part that goes in and out, has the spring, holds the bullets....so much can go wrong with the simple mag that it is the real weak link in the system.....and you really don't know it will give you problems till you have the problem....then you will spend time trying to figure out if the mag is really the problem before you decide to toss mag #4 into the trash can....you have no idea how bad I want to call it a clip just for the fun of it.

Right now I am using a 32....it is about all I can handle with my current health problems.
The real biggest problem is the operator. Limp-wrist the gun, and you'll get failure to feed all the time with a recoil-operated weapon. This is especially true with lightweight weapons that have less inertia.

I use Chip McCormick magazines in the 1911 that I carry. Once I know that a new mag is reliable, it's used for carry only. I have other mags to use at the range. If one goes sour, I smash it flat with a big hammer and toss it.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:53 PM   #27056
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Question CZ75s

....sooo...what's the word on CA model approved CZ handguns?
Seems like no one across the nation has got anything from the manufacturer for many moons...
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:01 PM   #27057
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That sounds like a converted Arshin scale sight. Did it look like this?

Or this?



Fit and finnish will be better, generally more accurate. Trigger will be worlds different too. Lots of info here.
The second one. But it wasn't painted.

And nobody gave me shit for my horrible "fit and finnish" pun.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:48 PM   #27058
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The second one. But it wasn't painted.
That's the "modern" one, most commonly encountered. The ramp follows the 7.62x54r ballistic path fairly well, just don't expect miracles at the 2000m setting

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Old 10-10-2012, 05:16 PM   #27059
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..... 32 was good enough for Gen Patton then it is good enough for me .....
One of my old company commanders was asked why he did not carry a rifle. He replied that if it got to the point where he really needed one, there would be plenty lying around on the ground around him.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:28 PM   #27060
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The ramp follows the 7.62x54r ballistic path fairly well, just don't expect miracles at the 2000m setting



Nope , but out to 5-600 meters is pretty good for iron sights

We were messing with ours last week, out a ways, and were impressed. THe long barrel helps
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