The I LOVE THIS GUN Thread

[newcastleadam]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Oooh! What Izzat? my m44 needs a pal..

SVT-40

[FPGT72]

Yup SVT-40....that video does not really do it justice. They are LOUD loud.

Pretty intresting rifle, adjustable gas system, 10 round box magazine.....in many ways it is more advanced than a garand. And before I get flamed for that last statement try to top off a grand after two shots.

Many people think it was not that great of a rifle, had problems, un reliable, complicated....bla bla bla...personally I don't think so. The real reason it was not in wide use during WWII is the type of troops the Soviet army had, elite units got this rifle, the rank and file got the 91/30, and yes the good ole Mosin was faster to make and much more easy to use.

I own all three "common" self loading rifles from WWII...the SVT-40 from the soviets, a Garand from the US and a G43 from the Germans....I personally think that the SVT is the best rifle....side by side with my garand the SVT is not as heavy. And the G43 while it works it is just not as stout as the other two. All very intresting history, and I know I will draw flack on picking the SVT over the garand.

No question the Garand is more accurate, but you have to remember these rifles are made to hit a man sized target, not an apple sized target. The Garand is much more accurate, but as a "battle rifle" the SVT had some things going for it that became standard in post war rifles....there is a reason the M16 does not use an ebloc clip.

Just my two bits.

[GoGo Gadget]

Originally Posted by FPGT72

Yup SVT-40....that video does not really do it justice. They are LOUD loud.

Pretty intresting rifle, adjustable gas system, 10 round box magazine.....in many ways it is more advanced than a garand. And before I get flamed for that last statement try to top off a grand after two shots.

Many people think it was not that great of a rifle, had problems, un reliable, complicated....bla bla bla...personally I don't think so. The real reason it was not in wide use during WWII is the type of troops the Soviet army had, elite units got this rifle, the rank and file got the 91/30, and yes the good ole Mosin was faster to make and much more easy to use.

I own all three "common" self loading rifles from WWII...the SVT-40 from the soviets, a Garand from the US and a G43 from the Germans....I personally think that the SVT is the best rifle....side by side with my garand the SVT is not as heavy. And the G43 while it works it is just not as stout as the other two. All very intresting history, and I know I will draw flack on picking the SVT over the garand.

No question the Garand is more accurate, but you have to remember these rifles are made to hit a man sized target, not an apple sized target. The Garand is much more accurate, but as a "battle rifle" the SVT had some things going for it that became standard in post war rifles....there is a reason the M16 does not use an ebloc clip.

Just my two bits.

IIRC, the Army specifically did not want a detachable box magazine, or anything protruding down from the bottom of their next battle rifle. I think it was old school generals from WWI that remembered trench warfare and sliding a rifle up over a parapet and firing from atop the sandbags. With the Garand you can get closer to the wall and slid the rifle along the top as far forward as needed. With a DBM protruding down, it would impede that.

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by GoGo Gadget

IIRC, the Army specifically did not want a detachable box magazine, or anything protruding down from the bottom of their next battle rifle. I think it was old school generals from WWI that remembered trench warfare and sliding a rifle up over a parapet and firing from atop the sandbags. With the Garand you can get closer to the wall and slid the rifle along the top as far forward as needed. With a DBM protruding down, it would impede that.

It was more a question of cost. Between the world wars, the Army was given very little money by Congress, and the spring steel clips were a lot cheaper than magazines. The Garand was originally designed to use the .276 Pedersen cartridge in a 10 round clip, and when it was redesigned to use the 30-06, they could only get 8 rounds in the same space. There were experimental Garands that were modified to use a 20 round BAR magazine.

[newcastleadam]

[QUOTE=ttpete;20664609There were experimental Garands that were modified to use a 20 round BAR magazine.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the T20 models are pretty interesting.



And you can get your own version of that for about $1400 or so. $550 for a field grade Garand from the CMP, then another $800 to Shuff's Parkerizing for a rebarrel to 308 and M14 mag conversion.



And while you're at it, Shuff can also shorten the barrel and other mods to really make that old girl dance again

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by newcastleadam

Yeah, the T20 models are pretty interesting.

Interestingly, it has a selector and much the same full-auto linkage as an M14 It also appears to have stripper clip guides.

[newcastleadam]

Originally Posted by ttpete

Interestingly, it has a selector and much the same full-auto linkage as an M14 It also appears to have stripper clip guides.

Then you'll throw a rod at this one



And here's an evolution of some of the experimental models

[ttpete]

I have one of these:

[rapidoxidationman]

Originally Posted by newcastleadam

SVT-40

Would I be mistaken to think he's gonna potentially have either some powder burned or very sore fingertips from being that close to the ejection port?

[RonS]

Originally Posted by HardCase

Uberti Schofield break-top in 45 Colt. I posted pics of this gun before, but it was a while back and, in the meanwhile, have had a lot of fun with it, shoot fairly mild mid-range handloads with lead SWC bullets. Light recoil and very accurate. My girlfriend's teenage son likes to shoot this better than any other handgun. Uberti makes them in 38 Special and 44/40 as well as the 45. I'd love to have a 38, but don't need two and they aren't inexpensive.

I also like the Ruger New Vaqueros a lot. I have one in 357 and would like to pick one up in 45 Colt to go with the Uberti Schofield. Fun stuff.

I've been thinking about one of these for a while now. Picked up a vintage H&R .22 break top for teaching people how to shoot a while back but it's just not the same thing.

[Speedo66]

Originally Posted by Rusty Rocket

""Ive been thinking about a repro Remington 1875 recently:""




Who makes repro's that fire modern cartridges? More than 1 company? I love those old style revolvers, but I didn't want to mess with caps and powder.

These people carry black powder pistols, conversion cylinders to convert to metallic cartridges, and single action cartridge pistols of all types.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3761

[Lobby]

Originally Posted by ttpete

Interestingly, it has a selector and much the same full-auto linkage as an M14 It also appears to have stripper clip guides.

I don't get it. Why not just get the M14, then?

[VegasKLRider]

Originally Posted by newcastleadam

And you can get your own version of that for about $1400 or so. $550 for a field grade Garand from the CMP, then another $800 to Shuff's Parkerizing for a rebarrel to 308 and M14 mag conversion.



And while you're at it, Shuff can also shorten the barrel and other mods to really make that old girl dance again

I am digging that! It seems like sacrilege to do that to a Garand, but I am considering it.

[FPGT72]

Originally Posted by rapidoxidationman

Would I be mistaken to think he's gonna potentially have either some powder burned or very sore fingertips from being that close to the ejection port?

I was watching that as well...the fingers are SO close.

The poster that brought up cost is spot on...the between the wars military was pretty small and with an itsy bitsy budget. Poland had a military in better shape. (land forces specifically) It was not till things heated up in europe that FDR saw the wrighting on the wall and got the navy a few battleships as well as a new class of carrier laid down....they also started work on tanks.....in that climate it is really amazing they got the garand up and going.

A few different militaries started looking at different cartridges in the between war years, England, US, a few others, but the depression, and WWII starting put the end to that.....takes a GREAT deal of money to switch over all military arms to a new cartridge....something the US is working with now....is it really worth all that money to change?

[tony the tiger]

Originally Posted by Lobby

I don't get it. Why not just get the M14, then?

Originally Posted by VegasKLRider

I am digging that! It seems like sacrilege to do that to a Garand, but I am considering it.

My thoughts too... "Wow! That'd be cool... but a damned shame to do it to the International Harvester. Better off buying an M1A."