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Old 03-17-2013, 04:11 PM   #29011
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Why blame the gun for the obviously shit reloads? Anyone who shoots stuff like that deserves what they get. It's the best way I know of to blow a gun up.The only reloads I will shoot are mine.

I did suggest that factory loads might play nicer with his new gun, but it seems to me that the "reliability" the glock nutz tout isn't there. Just my limited experience in the 50 or so rounds he put through it. I pulled the trigger on it 8 times and it jammed once... YMMV.

I'll freely admit I'm not impressed by plastic guns.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:22 PM   #29012
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I'll freely admit I'm not impressed by plastic guns.
I have never been a fan of plastic guns either. That has started to change since my wife took a liking to the XDM and I bought one for her. It is much less finicky than any of my STI's. A couple of them are very particular about which ammo I use, and how I clean and lube them for being reliable. The XDMs just run. Enough so that I bought a second XDM for my carry gun, and am going to buy a couple more for each of my kids first pistol.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:30 PM   #29013
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A friend of mine just got a 1st generation Glock 19. Given the current shortage of 9mm ammo, he picked up a couple boxes of reloads from a local auto repair shop. My inexperienced eye can't swear if the reloads were shit or not (untrimmed cases, crimped brass where it shouldn't be, differences in lengths of the cases and how much of the bullet was pressed into the case, asymmetry of the bullet - pressed in crooked) but that glock did NOT like what it was being fed. It jammed about every 5-6 rounds, sometimes requiring much force to pull the slide back and eject the offending round.
The gun aside from being aged was fairly new - it had not had a lot of rounds cycled through it. In fact, the PO said it hadn't had ANY, but I'm not sure if that's true. I did make sure the buyer cleaned and oiled it before shooting it, but I'm comfy saying that it isn't a gun I'd care to have in my safe. POS, in my opinion.
I've owned 4 Glocks - two G21s and two G19s. I've shot a number of others - G26, etc.

The only problem I ever had was with highly modified G21 (hybrid port, etc.) and with a reload in a G19. The reload blew out at the web - pretty much the fault of the ammo, although many Glocks, like many other sem-autos, do not support the underside of the web very well.

I think Glocks are much more reliable than any other semi-auto I have experience with, including a number of all steel 1911s of various forms.

YMMV

PS - I do like my SIG better than my Glocks though - I like the way it handles and shoots. I have yet to shoot a Glock that felt as good as my SIG, but that is a totally personal thing; I am sure Glocks feel better than SIGs to some people, it just depends on their hands and how they shoot.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:31 PM   #29014
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Really? I've got an Ed Brown 1911 and a G19. Two different guns, two different task.
I don't own any Timexes, Glocks, or AKs. They just don't interest me. Neither do DA-only autos. I carry my 1911s and revolvers. Euro guns that interest me are SIG and Walther.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:34 PM   #29015
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I could never love that.

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You don't have to love it, just use it. It is much easier to shoot than a shorty shotgun without a buttstock. A lot of people don't like bullpups for various reasons, but for the most part I have found that a bullpup is much nicer to shoot and carry, especially in tight places, than a conventionally stocked long gun.

For self-defense firearms, the functionality is what appeals to me. I would prefer to have this though:



When the panic subsides (there are signs it already is) I will probably get one.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:52 PM   #29016
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I like shooting my 870 that I did this to.

I'm not a fan of pistol-grip shotguns, but I really like that forend. Where did you pick that up, and is it composite or metal?
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:56 PM   #29017
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I had a forend with a rail on the bottom and it really chewed up my hand and was uncomfortable to grip. Was worthless without wearing gloves. I can't imagine shooting that without gloves.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:50 PM   #29018
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You don't have to love it, just use it. It is much easier to shoot than a shorty shotgun without a buttstock. A lot of people don't like bullpups for various reasons, but for the most part I have found that a bullpup is much nicer to shoot and carry, especially in tight places, than a conventionally stocked long gun.

For self-defense firearms, the functionality is what appeals to me. I would prefer to have this though:



When the panic subsides (there are signs it already is) I will probably get one.
I want one as well. Saw one at the local gun store two days ago. They wanted $1600 for it. Almost twice the MSRP.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:01 PM   #29019
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A friend of mine just got a 1st generation Glock 19. Given the current shortage of 9mm ammo, he picked up a couple boxes of reloads from a local auto repair shop. My inexperienced eye can't swear if the reloads were shit or not (untrimmed cases, crimped brass where it shouldn't be, differences in lengths of the cases and how much of the bullet was pressed into the case, asymmetry of the bullet - pressed in crooked) but that glock did NOT like what it was being fed. It jammed about every 5-6 rounds, sometimes requiring much force to pull the slide back and eject the offending round.
The gun aside from being aged was fairly new - it had not had a lot of rounds cycled through it. In fact, the PO said it hadn't had ANY, but I'm not sure if that's true. I did make sure the buyer cleaned and oiled it before shooting it, but I'm comfy saying that it isn't a gun I'd care to have in my safe. POS, in my opinion.

did you try factory ammo in the glock?

did you try those reloads in a different gun?

if the answer is no to either or both of those questions, then your opinion isn't based on much data.
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:34 PM   #29020
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no and no.
I think I said that in one of my posts - something to the effect of recommending to him that he get some factory ammo and see how it works...
This one pistol, and the 8 times I pulled the trigger on it, is my experience with the brand. Unfortunately, reloads are the only rounds available in this area. Haven't seen 9mm factory loads on ANY shelves in a long time.
Just pointing out that a glock is not always as reliable as some would have everybody else believe. In MY opinion. YMMV.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:11 PM   #29021
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no and no.
I think I said that in one of my posts - something to the effect of recommending to him that he get some factory ammo and see how it works...
This one pistol, and the 8 times I pulled the trigger on it, is my experience with the brand. Unfortunately, reloads are the only rounds available in this area. Haven't seen 9mm factory loads on ANY shelves in a long time.
Just pointing out that a glock is not always as reliable as some would have everybody else believe. In MY opinion. YMMV.
not to beat a dead horse, but i don't think your example gives any evidence that "a glock is not always as reliable as some would have everybody else believe."

some of us have a lot of experience with the brand, and are comfortable relying on them.

and btw, it's pretty important to know what spec ammo you are using. ie bullet shape, weight, and powder. what works in one model might not work in another.

i recently loaded a bunch of 200 grain SWC 45acp, and it worked great in my own and a few friend's 1911s. tried it in my springfield XD, couldn't get it to cycle at all. wouldn't feed, etc. previous to that, the XD has worked fine with any 230 grain RN or HP.

used google to check on the reloading forums, and found that bullet and that gun just don't like each other.

loaded up some 230 grain RN (berrys) and it worked fine in the 1911s and XD.

i've shot thousands of factory loads (speer gd 124 +p) and my own reloads (124 grain HP berrys) through my glocks without a hiccup over the last 10+ years. thousands per year, actually. i'm not saying it's the best gun ever made, or the most fun to shoot, or the best trigger.

but when someone says glock isn't reliable, i'm interested to hear their evidence.
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Only owned one Glock 17g4 but it fires every time like clock work on whatever I feed it. But the idea of there being ammo types some guns don't like is very true to me. My hi point carbine 9mm fires everything, but a friend got one and brought it over with snub nose rounds. They jammed a lot. I should have tried them in mine but we were having too much fun with the firearms we had out already. He gave me 5 in trade so at some point I will do an experiment as I know the Glock eats JHP just fine.
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I had a forend with a rail on the bottom and it really chewed up my hand and was uncomfortable to grip. Was worthless without wearing gloves. I can't imagine shooting that without gloves.
That one looks a lot more "rounded" than most picatinny rail forends.

Plus, I want to mount a handgrip.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:59 PM   #29024
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When the panic subsides (there are signs it already is) I will probably get one.

I went to a show in NC this afternoon.It was late on the second day of a 2 day show and they still had AR's and ammo in good supply.The dealers I talked with said the prices for the ARs were down from even a few weeks ago.I brought the AR I planned to sell back home with me because of the price drop.The ammo I looked at still seemed way too high.
They also were selling handguns at close to pre insanity prices and had a good selection.I don't know if that's a trend or just because of the market around here.I'm hoping it's a trend because I saw a couple things there my life won't be complete without
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I did suggest that factory loads might play nicer with his new gun, but it seems to me that the "reliability" the glock nutz tout isn't there. Just my limited experience in the 50 or so rounds he put through it. I pulled the trigger on it 8 times and it jammed once... YMMV.

I'll freely admit I'm not impressed by plastic guns.

I drove a Honda about 8 miles and it sputtered the whole way. I tried to wheelie once or twice and it just had no power. I could not get the front wheel off the ground. At the gas station the pumps had a retaining wall to catch any spilled gas. As we all know gas is expensive these days, so I grabbed an old towel and sopped up some gas then squeeze it out into the tank.

Now I will admit that if you used clean fuel it might work better, YMMV. But in my limited experience, Hondas are not really as reliable as most people say.



Yeah, that seems about right.
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