The I LOVE THIS GUN Thread

[rapidoxidationman]

Originally Posted by The_Commander

Butch's.

And only women, children and the protected carry Glock.

Everyone else carries God's pistol.

The USGI 1911.

Can I get an AMEN?!

[buildit]

Originally Posted by rapidoxidationman

Can I get an AMEN?!

Pretty gun. I just can't bring myself to drop the big bucks for a gun and more expensive ammo.

[Manuel Garcia O'Kely]

Originally Posted by rapidoxidationman

Can I get an AMEN?!

JOOC, how can you carry such a nice looking pistol in a plastic holster?

And looking at the prices for them, I get the vapors.

[VegasKLRider]

I'm a gunsmith, firearms trainer and USPSA A class shooter. I know I am supposed to love 1911's and hate Glocks... but I can't. I have owned over a dozen 1911's and worked on dozens of others. 1911's work "IF".... If you use GI spec ball ammo, if you make sure the springs are matched and changed every 2500 rounds, if you use Wilson mags, if you clean them regularly and lube them sparingly, if you have John Browning come out of the grave and tune the fucking extractor every 1500 rounds, if you have a firm grip, if the ejector is perfectly staked, if your support hand doesn't drag the slide or catch the slide release, if your shooting thumb doesn't bump the safety, if.....

I work on a lot of Glocks too... usually to improve the plastic POS sights and slick up the triggers. The ones that don't work are almost always due to someone farkling them without a clue.

Take a bone stock Glock 21 for $500 or so. Put a set of $60 steel sights on it and clean up the trigger a bit and you are done(.) 14 rounds of .45ACP on tap- no questions asked. 185 gr Semi wadcutters at 800fps- no problem. 230 gr +P at 1000fps- okay. Clean it every few years- sounds good. Hot and dusty desert conditions- cool. Super cold- wipe the oil off and shoot away. Offhand grip- it'll work just fine. Change the mag springs every 500 loadings, the trigger springs every 10,000 rounds and the recoil spring every 20,000.

I carry a crash kit at the range to help out other shooters. 1911's typically take a trip home to fix anything. Almost everything to rebuild a Glock can be done on my tailgate using an Altoids can of parts.

At this point I am still maintaining and shooting a Gen 1, G17 with over 175,000 rounds through it. 50,000 from the 2nd owner between 1995 and 2001- 100,000 from me between 2001 and 2007 and 25,000 rounds from the 4th owner from 2007 to now. I got it for free with the instructions to shoot it as much as possible and track the round count and I passed it on with the same instructions.

[VegasKLRider]

Originally Posted by rapidoxidationman

Can I get an AMEN?!

That was my first centerfire pistol- a Duo Tone version actually. I still own it.

[Tripl Nikl]

Originally Posted by Andyinhilo

Nope, not trolling. I am a professional LEO who is required to carry a Glock. The three I have been issued are the most un-reliable, and therefore ineffective guns I have ever experienced...

3rd gen .40s? Especially 3rd gen .40 with a light attached? If so, those are known problems because the small frame Glocks were designed for 9mm and "made" to work with .40.

As far as I know, the 4th gen Glocks were designed around .40. So, of course, 9mm shooters then had problems with them.

Me? I like 3rd gen 9mms. Pull trigger = BANG!

Originally Posted by VegasKLRider

I work on a lot of Glocks too... usually to improve the plastic POS sights and slick up the triggers. The ones that don't work are almost always due to someone farkling them without a clue.

No less a expert than Larry Vickers does NOT recommend a 1911 for most defensive users. He recommends a Glock. Larry effen Vickers says that. He's probably put more .45 down range through 1911s than 99.9% of shooters out there.

The M&Ps are proving to be Glock-like in their function as well. So, for "it's a tool in the toolbox" shooters, Glocks and M&Ps.

As for Glock triggers, the $.25 trigger job NOT overdone and wow, what a difference. If people insist on changing parts, I personally recommend OEM replacement parts so that it's still "all Glock OEM," even if not stock. An exception, I do have a titanium drop safety plunger and lighter spring in my Glock. I suggest getting the spring first and seeing if that helps enough as I think it provides 90% of the value of modding those parts.

For a eye-opening (range or dryfire only), try taking the drop safety out of the Glock and try the trigger pull. WOW! It's amazing how much difference that makes. However, on a carry gun, removing a safety is begging for potential trouble *if* it's used in a shoot and/or a questionable discharge occurs. But for a range or target-only Glock? Hmmm.

Oh, BTW, I love 1911s and nothing I said should be taken as anti-1911. I got a 9mm back in the day because it was cheaper to shoot. I got a Glock because I shot it better than the typical DA/SA 9mm of the day. That's it. My heart is with 1911s, but they DO take commitment that is NOT required in today's modern arms.

[The_Commander]

Originally Posted by Tripl Nikl

No less a expert than Larry Vickers does NOT recommend a 1911 for most defensive users. He recommends a Glock.

Larry Vickers an expert? Ok. I guess. But to say he doesn't "recommend a 1911" is fucking funny considering he makes them. Jesus. Wept.

[Speedo66]

Originally Posted by KSJEEPER

The real question...

is what type of carry do ya'all prefer for your Glocks, when lying prone and changing oil? IWB? Pocket?

And when you are lying in the prone, carrying your Glock (either IWB or pocket), and changing your oil, what do you guys think is best?

Synthetic or Dino?

Lying prone, I prefer it in my pocket so it doesn't get scraped.

But I do love my pajama holster and shower holsters.

[Tripl Nikl]

Originally Posted by The_Commander

Larry Vickers an expert? Ok. I guess. But to say he doesn't "recommend a 1911" is fucking funny considering he makes them. Jesus. Wept.

Oh, I must be talking out of my ass...


"'Now, I shoot a Glock,' Vickers tells me. 'Make sure you tell guys that the 1911 is a pain in the ass. If they don’t like messing around with the pistol and spending a grand to really get it tuned, then they should forget it.'”
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...ur-first-1911/

" I am a big fan of both the G17 and G19 in 9mm and that is what I use."
http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-...larry-vickers/

"... I feel most people are best served NOT using a 1911 as a primary sidearm... If however you treat your pistols like we all treat our lawnmowers then don’t get a 1911 – use a Glock."
http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-...larry-vickers/


Um, nope. I'm fully aware that Larry Vickers is a god among men in 1911 circles. And the LAV's words--not mine--are that the Glock is the "universal service pistol" that serves most peoples' needs the best.

[rapidoxidationman]

Glock: The Toyota Corolla of the gun world

NTTAWWT









I'm sure they're a fine firearm. Just not for me.

[FlagRS]

[RidingDonkeys]

Originally Posted by RonS

I want one as well. Saw one at the local gun store two days ago. They wanted $1600 for it. Almost twice the MSRP.

Kel-Tec raised the MSRP on the KSG last year. I believe the current MSRP is $1197.

I just got mine last week. I was on the waiting list almost 2 years. Kel-tec is way behind on production of this gun, largely due to design changes early in the game. My local gun store still sold it to me for $100 below MSRP, despite the apocalyptic prices at other stores.

It is hard to imagine one of these just sitting in a store. Most of these were sold before they were even made. Due to the low production though, many gun stores wouldn't do prepaid orders on it.

Sent from the voices in my head and transcribed by their drinking buddy...

[Speedo66]

Have you seen what used plain-jane Kel-Tec Sub2000's are going for?

I've seen them sold recently for $600-900, this for a gun that normally retails for $300 new.

We are indeed living in interesting times.

[Manuel Garcia O'Kely]

Walmart has plenty of rifles and shotguns but today, well, someone must have had a party, all the 100 round packs of 12 ga Trap? There were dozens of boxes, all gone today.

I found 9 mm HP's, .40 FMJ and HP's, but only at one out of six shops. No .22 to be had.

BUT, one store, the clerk was kind enough to tell me that they do get a delivery every Thursday - and it's gone by 10:30, so maybe day after tommorrow I'll be there when door opens.

[ImaPoser]

Originally Posted by Manuel Garcia O'Kely

so maybe day after tommorrow I'll be there when door opens.

Just curious, but because you desperately need some 22lr, or because everyone else is doing it, you feel the need to as well?