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Old 12-17-2009, 11:58 AM   #4426
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I have shot deer with that round and a full power 357. The wimpy 44mag load is better
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:34 PM   #4427
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I've read that. I've also read reports from reloaders who routinely do it and say its just an old wive's tale.
I have some lead bullets for the 9mm so I decide to load up a few for my Glock 19. I shot five rounds and those will be the last five lead bullets to ever go through that gun. I swear I scrubbed that barrel down for a full hour to get the lead out. I knew the bullets would leave deposits, but damn I didn't think they would leave that much.

My Glock is my only 9mm and I don't shoot it that much. If I did I would probably invest in an additional barrel which has the normal rifling that can handle lead rounds. The break even point for purchasing a new barrel isn't worth it to me for the amount that I shoot that gun. For some reason I can barely hit the broad side of a barn with the Glock. It's not the gun, but me since I've had someone else shoot the pistol and they did just fine. I'm not a bad shot, not a great one either, and have no problem hitting what I aim at with my 1911.
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:48 PM   #4428
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I have some lead bullets for the 9mm so I decide to load up a few for my Glock 19. I shot five rounds and those will be the last five lead bullets to ever go through that gun. I swear I scrubbed that barrel down for a full hour to get the lead out. I knew the bullets would leave deposits, but damn I didn't think they would leave that much.
Odd that you should mention the Glock. That's the very gun another reloader claimed he regularly fires cast lead bullets through without any problems. Perhaps it has something to do with composition of the lead alloy he uses.

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My Glock is my only 9mm and I don't shoot it that much. If I did I would probably invest in an additional barrel which has the normal rifling that can handle lead rounds. The break even point for purchasing a new barrel isn't worth it to me for the amount that I shoot that gun. For some reason I can barely hit the broad side of a barn with the Glock. It's not the gun, but me since I've had someone else shoot the pistol and they did just fine. I'm not a bad shot, not a great one either, and have no problem hitting what I aim at with my 1911.
Its more likely a combination of you and the gun. Some guns shoot impressive groups at the factory when clamped in a vice, but something about their ergonomics and balance is detrimental to accuracy when fired freehand. I've owned a number of 1911's, and I've always been able to shoot better with them than with other pistols.
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:54 PM   #4429
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:56 PM   #4430
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I wouldn't shoot lead bullets in any "modern" auto pistol.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:01 PM   #4431
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I wouldn't shoot lead bullets in any "modern" auto pistol.
What qualifies as "modern"?
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:08 PM   #4432
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If loading your own lead bullets to shoot out of a Glock, tumble lube them first with liquid alox or other type of bullet lube. YMMV.
I cast and load my own and have noticed a significant decrease in barrel leading out of my 1911 with the alox tumble lube.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:11 PM   #4433
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Mine came with those, but a friend just gave me some pachmyars I'm gonna try. The bantams have the backstrap exposed, which lends to slight palm bruising after 50 rounds. Probably won't make much difference - I do like the feel/grip on the bantam.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:28 PM   #4434
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better hole more bleeding

the 357 really sucks in my experience on even dinky deer. won't be repeating it.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:45 PM   #4435
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My experience with excessive headspace is based on the series of WWI & WWII SMLE surplus military rifles, all of which had notorious head spacing issues. Typically I'd see signs of incipient case head separation after only 6 reloads - in one rifle as little as 2.
The 303 is a rimmed cartridge . It headspaces on the rim. You change out the bolt heads(they are numbered) to fix headspace Head seperation isn't caused by headspace in a rimmed cartridge. I would guess the chamber is generous and you are overworking the brass. Did you try a neck sizing die?

Headspace can cause head separation in a rimless cartridge but overworking brass is also a cause.

Possible the dies you are using aren't correct for the British military spec but for a sporting specification.

I did find quite a few`Indian enfields with excess headspace. Probably bolts were swapped before they were sold or they swapped bolt heads for spare parts. I think the only symptoms would be primers backing out or maybe punctured primers. 7.62x51 Indian enfields do have issues..not a rimmed case.
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:51 PM   #4436
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I've read that. I've also read reports from reloaders who routinely do it and say its just an old wive's tale.
I asked a group of action pistol shooters that use Glocks about buying after market barrels for lead cast bullets. They all shot stock barrels and lots.

Glock definitely had warnings on doing it and so did shooting publications. Could be that swagged bullets, soft, bullet or too high velocity was the problem or just idiots?

I have never had problem with leading except with swagged bullets or ported guns.

I would like to know so I can use cast bullets in my 23
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:52 PM   #4437
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I have some lead bullets for the 9mm so I decide to load up a few for my Glock 19. I shot five rounds and those will be the last five lead bullets to ever go through that gun. I swear I scrubbed that barrel down for a full hour to get the lead out. I knew the bullets would leave deposits, but damn I didn't think they would leave that much.

My Glock is my only 9mm and I don't shoot it that much. If I did I would probably invest in an additional barrel which has the normal rifling that can handle lead rounds. The break even point for purchasing a new barrel isn't worth it to me for the amount that I shoot that gun. For some reason I can barely hit the broad side of a barn with the Glock. It's not the gun, but me since I've had someone else shoot the pistol and they did just fine. I'm not a bad shot, not a great one either, and have no problem hitting what I aim at with my 1911.
Swagged or cast?
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:53 PM   #4438
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:03 PM   #4439
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Someone mentioned earlier Gunbroker. Thanks I just wasted the best part of the day staring at the candy.
Does anyone remember the Savage over and under shotgun with a .22 on top and a 20ga for the lower barrel. Could have bought one for about 100 bucks back in the day.
In Fl they say that is really all you need to hunt in this state.
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:03 PM   #4440
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The 303 is a rimmed cartridge . It headspaces on the rim. You change out the bolt heads(they are numbered) to fix headspace
I've done that, but the improvement is slight. And if you go up more than one size, the bolt won't close.

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Head seperation isn't caused by headspace in a rimmed cartridge. I would guess the chamber is generous and you are overworking the brass. Did you try a neck sizing die?
I shoot very mild loads - nowhere near factory specs (my favorite load is 19gr of SR4758, w/ 150gr SP). And yes, I always neck size until I feel the cases beginning to stick in the action. A couple of my 303's come with a broken case extractor - something I've never seen supplied with any other gun. It proved quite handy on several occasions while out plinking in the woods.
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