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Old 03-25-2010, 04:57 PM   #7501
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That shouldn't matter as long as you are compring bullets of the same caliber.
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:07 PM   #7502
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OK push that 70 gr .22 to 1400fps and now its got a 3.08 so it has the advantage.Whatever you shoot with it won't be able to tell the difference and I'd be willing to bet you won't notice anythig either.
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:11 PM   #7503
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I know what they look like silly,


are they good guns, or shite?

I saw on the ar-snob chart that they seem to rank pretty well, so I think I'm going to pull the trigger, so to speak.

Look out zombies...
QUIT BEING A CHEAP BASTARD and buy one already.

Good grief son. In 48 hours I was able to find the cheapest ruger this side of the mississippi. What are you waiting for?

I think the s&w's are rebadged stags. They are good guns. Which one are you looking at? the base model or the blinged out one?
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:42 PM   #7504
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YABBUT... TKO was designed for comparing large/heavy rifle bullets with large/heavy rifle bullets.
No mention of bullet profile either.

You'd think w/ hand guns hollow points would have more wound/damage/shock, than say a round point jacketed round. REgardless of speed.

Big game the knock down is partially just as simple as, does it go through ribs, does it retain mass, does it penetrate?
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:54 PM   #7505
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The reason hollow points were developed for hand guns, and rifles too, is so that they would transfer all the energy to the target and do as much damage to the tissue surrounding the wound channel as possible. Goggle Barns Bullets, or Speer, or Nozler.and look at all the engineering that goes into bullet design. It is really interesting.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:06 PM   #7506
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QUIT BEING A CHEAP BASTARD and buy one already.

Good grief son. In 48 hours I was able to find the cheapest ruger this side of the mississippi. What are you waiting for?

I think the s&w's are rebadged stags. They are good guns. Which one are you looking at? the base model or the blinged out one?


The deal is struck. Going to get it in the morning.

Should be fun.

Got some israeli mags in the mail today. 30 rounds.


This cheap bastard is going to cring when he gets done with one of those.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:15 PM   #7507
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The deal is struck. Going to get it in the morning.

Should be fun.

Got some israeli mags in the mail today. 30 rounds.


This cheap bastard is going to cring when he gets done with one of those.
Fill up a mag and rip it just to get that part out of the way, then just shoot a handful at a time

The only time I ever actually filled a mag was at a match. Takes too long anyway
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:54 PM   #7508
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Stamp arrived today and picked up my can



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Old 03-25-2010, 08:00 PM   #7509
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Issat the aluminum one that comes apart?

I have absolutely no use for one, but man do they look fun.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:11 PM   #7510
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Issat the aluminum one that comes apart?

I have absolutely no use for one, but man do they look fun.
Yep, user serviceable. Can't wait to go try it out
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:36 PM   #7511
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Didn't the new law say something about "being mfg in the state and not leaving the state"? That muffler was made in Idaho.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:49 PM   #7512
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Didn't the new law say something about "being mfg in the state and not leaving the state"? That muffler was made in Idaho.
Whole different topic. NFA items are regulated by the Feds, and are legal in most states. Doesn't matter where they are manufactured and where they are sold, as long as laws are followed and taxes are paid. These types of transfers must be conducted through Class 3 dealers, a $200 tax paid to the government, and a fingerprint background check by the FBI. My state does not have any laws prohibiting these types of firearms, an individual just has to conform to federal regulations and dealers follow interstate commerce laws. As far as the new state legislation challenging federal regulation of in-state manufactured firearms, i don't know. Individual ownership of Title 2 firearms is legal in 38 states.

http://www.gem-tech.com/legal.html

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Old 03-26-2010, 12:18 AM   #7513
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AR-10 (.308 Win), 2x red dot sight, 140 grain soft point, 50 yards. Light is a rail-mounted ATN Javelin. I never thought I would say it, but I love my AR more than I love my G3, and this is why.
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:08 AM   #7514
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The reason hollow points were developed for hand guns, and rifles too, is so that they would transfer all the energy to the target and do as much damage to the tissue surrounding the wound channel as possible. Goggle Barns Bullets, or Speer, or Nozler.and look at all the engineering that goes into bullet design. It is really interesting.
Actually......


The first 'hollow-points' were constructed that way to lighten their weight and thus increase the projectiles velocity. Expansion was a side-effect of this design that was favored by some but looked down on by others as expansion limits penetration either by drag, loss of mass, or both.

Many 'hollow-point' bullets are specifically designed NOT to expand
Yes it's true, in many projectiles (esp hi-vel) the design is used to provide an aft CG shift to increase it's ballistic coefficient, reduce velocity loss, and alter several other factors that combine to yield better accuracy.

And still a third use/effect of a non-expanding 'hollow-point' (via aft CG shift and heavy jacket) is to create a bullet that quickly yaws after fluid impact to use the bullets entire profile to create a large wound channel without fragmenting and losing mass.
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:38 AM   #7515
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S&W M&P15:

Sooooo Dumb, or tactiCool as hell?
They are as good, if not better, than the other 'major maker' ARs on the market.

I know the lead engineer for the S&W AR project. They didn't just make a "clone" of other maker's ARs, they started with pretty much a clean sheet of paper on the project. Took what worked and discarded what didn't. They also found that the fail rate was just about zero when using the P-Mag.
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