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Old 11-08-2010, 12:37 PM   #11941
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yabbut they look at you in a strange way when you turn up at the skeet ground with it
They did when I had my M1 Super 90....until I started to shoot it.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:45 PM   #11942
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Since you are looking at bud's gun shop...did you see he also sells these? http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/61018



They are fun and you can buy a ton of 22 ammo with the money you save.
Sure but that S&W will shoot whatever cheap 22 ammo I want Plus the P22 just feels to petite to me... The S&W is my dream boat
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Old 11-08-2010, 01:04 PM   #11943
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What is the barrel-length? My M2 is 18.5" and that looks similar.... The M2 weighs less than 7# empty and adding the extension to the mag only increased that by a couple of ounces. I find the balance and weight to be pretty manageable. I agree, you can throw a lot of lead in a short amount of time....
The new ones are 19.75" although I think the earlier ones were a bit shorter. The M3 was designed to be used by LE who use Less-then-Lethal loads which won't cycle a semi-auto properly. It never really caught on though. I've only seen 3 versions. The standard straight stock, pistol grip stock and a folder. Up until maybe 2-3 years ago you used to be able to buy the M3 with the straight stock. The folder was never really offered to the public. Now the only option you can get is with the pistol grip stock.

The M3's a bit heavier then the M1/2 and there is no Field version so you're stuck with the short barrel. The M3 weighs in at 7.2 lbs. as a 5+1. The M2 Tactical with Ghost-sights weighs in around 6.7 lbs. but comes with a +2 extension.

I think the M3 is the last holdout with the M1S90 frame. Although, there are very few differences between the M1 and M2.
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Old 11-08-2010, 01:09 PM   #11944
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Sure but that S&W will shoot whatever cheap 22 ammo I want Plus the P22 just feels to petite to me... The S&W is my dream boat
Definitely go with the S&W. It's more of a real gun then the P22. The P22 can be finicky and the design isn't that great. The gun eats itself with a lot of use. The 617 is a full-size gun that is great for hiking or camping. It's also more accurate. The only downside is the P22 is dirt cheap in comparison but you do get what you pay for. I wouldn't spend over $300 for a P22.
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Old 11-08-2010, 01:56 PM   #11945
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Up until maybe 2-3 years ago you used to be able to buy the M3 with the straight stock. The folder was never really offered to the public. Now the only option you can get is with the pistol grip stock.

The M3's a bit heavier then the M1/2 and there is no Field version so you're stuck with the short barrel.
I think they just send the long-barrelled straight stock versions to England.

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Old 11-08-2010, 02:05 PM   #11946
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Definitely go with the S&W. It's more of a real gun then the P22. The P22 can be finicky and the design isn't that great. The gun eats itself with a lot of use. The 617 is a full-size gun that is great for hiking or camping. It's also more accurate. The only downside is the P22 is dirt cheap in comparison but you do get what you pay for. I wouldn't spend over $300 for a P22.
It'll probably take another month or 2 of saving to get the S&W, or at least until I can get my tax return. I figure with that 10-shot cylinder, the thing will reload about as fast as a P22 in a range situation (unless you buy like 4 magazines for the P22 )
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:06 PM   #11947
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yabbut they look at you in a strange way when you turn up at the skeet ground with it

I don't know that they'd look at you real strange around here, but I suppose a few eyebrows might go up. I have found that shooting clay birds or any sort of rapidly moving target with sights like either a ghost-ring or a red-dot doesn't work very well for me. I do far better with a standard shotgun setup with just a bead near the muzzle. I've noticed in recent years that a lot of 3-gun IPSC-style matches are incorporating flyers in some of their stages, which is causing me to rethink the use of a ghost-ring. I've seen some guys who are really good at it, though, so perhaps I just need a little more practice.
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:52 PM   #11948
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I think they just send the long-barrelled straight stock versions to England.

Yeah, I don't think we ever got a Field version of the M3 since the M1S90 fit that roll and was cheaper. They never really marketed the M3 here. Most people don't use the switch even though they have it.

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It'll probably take another month or 2 of saving to get the S&W, or at least until I can get my tax return. I figure with that 10-shot cylinder, the thing will reload about as fast as a P22 in a range situation (unless you buy like 4 magazines for the P22 )
I think there is a speadloader available. With training you can be wicked fast too.

Early P22's had magazine issues which caused FTF and FTE issues. They fixed them with the revision-A but the guns really need to be broken in properly. It's a fun toy/trainer but I wouldn't use it for much else. There are mods to fix many of the issues BUT you really shouldn't have to do this on a new gun. If you want a Semi then a Buckmaster or a MKIII would be a better choice.

Then again S&W does all of the Warranty for Walther so you get a solid warranty.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:24 PM   #11949
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So about buying a gun over the internet...

I know you have to fax a copy of the FFL of your local guy to the company you are buying the gun from and then the gun gets shipped to them. I am more wondering about the etiquette... Is the local guy glad to have the 20-odd dollars for doing the transfer, or are you being a dick by buying something cheaper and making him hold it for you?
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:31 PM   #11950
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So about buying a gun over the internet...

I know you have to fax a copy of the FFL of your local guy to the company you are buying the gun from and then the gun gets shipped to them. I am more wondering about the etiquette... Is the local guy glad to have the 20-odd dollars for doing the transfer, or are you being a dick by buying something cheaper and making him hold it for you?
That all really depends if it is from a private seller, or if you are just undercutting them by buying from an online competitor.....I can say that I only buy off the net form private citizens or something my FFL doesn't carry or want to carry so i don't piss him off. OTOH, you can ask the FFL if it is a purchase forma competitor, if he can come close to the price plus fees and I'll bet these days he might do just that.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:38 PM   #11951
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That all really depends if it is from a private seller, or if you are just undercutting them by buying from an online competitor.....I can say that I only buy off the net form private citizens or something my FFL doesn't carry or want to carry so i don't piss him off. OTOH, you can ask the FFL if it is a purchase forma competitor, if he can come close to the price plus fees and I'll bet these days he might do just that.
That's about what I figured. I'm looking at that S&W and online it is a good $120 cheaper than the only place here that I've seen it. The guy I would probably use didn't have one when I was there... Roaddog makes it sound like $25 may be all he makes on a gun that he actually sells in the store though
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:44 PM   #11952
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That's about what I figured. I'm looking at that S&W and online it is a good $120 cheaper than the only place here that I've seen it. The guy I would probably use didn't have one when I was there... Roaddog makes it sound like $25 may be all he makes on a gun that he actually sells in the store though
Unless the guy is a jerk, he understands business. You can always ask the Dealer about something they don't have in stock. Maybe they can get it. Tell him about the price you want to pay. So he's not ordering something you won't be buying. Typically, though, if it's a store, he'll set a lot more ammo and other accessories to you over the long run.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:48 PM   #11953
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Unless the guy is a jerk, he understands business. You can always ask the Dealer about something they don't have in stock. Maybe they can get it. Tell him about the price you want to pay. So he's not ordering something you won't be buying. Typically, though, if it's a store, he'll set a lot more ammo and other accessories to you over the long run.
Yeah maybe... He's about 35 miles from here, but IC is kinda a weird place re: guns. I dropped in there last week and looked at a blue Taurus 990 and decided that's the kind of gun I want, but I feel like with a Taurus that I'd be rolling the dice more than with the S&W. If I ever have money in my pocket I may have to have that talk with him.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:50 PM   #11954
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So about buying a gun over the internet...

I know you have to fax a copy of the FFL of your local guy to the company you are buying the gun from and then the gun gets shipped to them. I am more wondering about the etiquette... Is the local guy glad to have the 20-odd dollars for doing the transfer, or are you being a dick by buying something cheaper and making him hold it for you?
When I buy them I have them shipped to the range. They sell a handful of used guns and a few on consignment. They're more than happy to accept a firearm transfer because it's not really competing with their sales.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:06 PM   #11955
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Yeah maybe... He's about 35 miles from here, but IC is kinda a weird place re: guns. I dropped in there last week and looked at a blue Taurus 990 and decided that's the kind of gun I want, but I feel like with a Taurus that I'd be rolling the dice more than with the S&W. If I ever have money in my pocket I may have to have that talk with him.
I don't think anyone's ever bought a S&W and said they wish they had bought the Taurus.
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