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Old 12-30-2010, 09:29 AM   #13171
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What exactly is a 'Scout rifle'?
The concept was brought forward by Jeff Cooper. The idea was to have a short handy carbine, in a medium caliber (.308 for example) with a forward mounted low power scope as well as iron sights. A rifle handy to carry but still capable of some medium range shots as well as quick close range situations.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:39 AM   #13172
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Thinkin about a ruger model 77 "tactical", 308 with a short-ish 20 inch barrel...

Anyone own one/thoughts/similar in other brands

I own a couple smaller bore rifles, wanna go bigger.
Like the 308 (size, ammo cost, range), want something "sniper-like" that I can carry. Cost of the Ruger is good, leaves room for optics dollars.
I have the Ruger 77 "International" in 30-06. Same gun is available in 308 although it's not exactly "sniper-like", but the 18" barrel and light weight makes it a joy to carry, and the accuracy with it is surprisingly good. It'll shoot sub MOA (albeit just barely) with handloaded 168 grain Sierra MatchKings. I'm pretty pleased with the newer Ruger 77s, the triggers are better than the old ones were, the wood is nice, and accuracy is good also.

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Old 12-30-2010, 09:54 AM   #13173
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The concept was brought forward by Jeff Cooper. The idea was to have a short handy carbine, in a medium caliber (.308 for example) with a forward mounted low power scope as well as iron sights. A rifle handy to carry but still capable of some medium range shots as well as quick close range situations.
Would my Marlin .44 Mag lever action rifle qualify? I feel the need now to have a Scout rifle.
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:01 AM   #13174
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Would my Marlin .44 Mag lever action rifle qualify? I feel the need now to have a Scout rifle.
Speaking only for myself, yes, it would, although you'd have to mount a scope out forward of the receiver to really qualify! I suspect Jeff Cooper might object, though, to the cartridge as being insufficiently long-range and accurate for those 200-300 yard shots at advancing BGs and Zombies.....
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:23 AM   #13175
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firearm registration?

Ok, I think I have this figured out, but I wanted to check with the great internet consensus - let me know where I'm wrong, feel free to add any salient details. In case it makes any difference, I'm in Texas ..

When I purchased my handgun at (insert retail store, Academy Sporting goods for me) I had to fill out the usual paperwork. Now what's this paperwork do, I wonder? According to the (seemingly knowledgeable) guy behind the counter, all it does is confirm that I am who I say, and that I'm eligible to own a gun. The paperwork is then kept on file with Academy, but private, for warranty/potential recall purposes. So that the Gummint only knows that my background was checked - not what kind of gun I was looking at, and not if the purchase was actually made.

So do I have that right? What have I left out?
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:31 AM   #13176
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I have the Ruger 77 "International" in 30-06. Same gun is available in 308 although it's not exactly "sniper-like", but the 18" barrel and light weight makes it a joy to carry, and the accuracy with it is surprisingly good. It'll shoot sub MOA (albeit just barely) with handloaded 168 grain Sierra MatchKings. I'm pretty pleased with the newer Ruger 77s, the triggers are better than the old ones were, the wood is nice, and accuracy is good also.

I've always like Mannlicher stocks. Ruger is one of the few US manufacturers to sell them from time to time.
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:41 AM   #13177
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I have the Ruger 77 "International" in 30-06. Same gun is available in 308 although it's not exactly "sniper-like", but the 18" barrel and light weight makes it a joy to carry, and the accuracy with it is surprisingly good. It'll shoot sub MOA (albeit just barely) with handloaded 168 grain Sierra MatchKings. I'm pretty pleased with the newer Ruger 77s, the triggers are better than the old ones were, the wood is nice, and accuracy is good also.

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Old 12-30-2010, 10:44 AM   #13178
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Would my Marlin .44 Mag lever action rifle qualify? I feel the need now to have a Scout rifle.
I really digs my scout. It was really handy in the bush during my recent... ahem... "deer scaring off" hike.
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:45 AM   #13179
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Oh God, that rifle (Mannlicher) is gorgeous.

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Old 12-30-2010, 10:45 AM   #13180
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Ok, I think I have this figured out, but I wanted to check with the great internet consensus - let me know where I'm wrong, feel free to add any salient details. In case it makes any difference, I'm in Texas ..

When I purchased my handgun at (insert retail store, Academy Sporting goods for me) I had to fill out the usual paperwork. Now what's this paperwork do, I wonder? According to the (seemingly knowledgeable) guy behind the counter, all it does is confirm that I am who I say, and that I'm eligible to own a gun. The paperwork is then kept on file with Academy, but private, for warranty/potential recall purposes. So that the Gummint only knows that my background was checked - not what kind of gun I was looking at, and not if the purchase was actually made.

So do I have that right? What have I left out?
It depends on the state, but generally you are close. Usually any paperwork stays with the FFL dealer. However, some states now have additional paperwork that is sent in if the gun is a handgun - e.g., I just bought a handgun at a dealer and they filled out some WA state paperwork which I assume is sent in and/or WA state keeps this info somewhere.

Generally, IIRC, the feds are prohibited by law from keeping such info unless there is some kind of investigation going on. However, when an FFL closes business, that FFL must transfer all their paperwork to the feds. IIRC the feds are not supposed to put that into any kind of computer system, but most people assume they do.

There is also a current controversy going on where the feds are wanting FFLs to notify them of any mass purchase of firearms of a certain type ('evil black' guns - i.e., semi-auto military type rifles) - I heard it was if you bought 20 of them in a certain period of time.

I think in general though, you should assume that some government agency knows what you have bought in the past, or at least has a fairly good idea. Now whether they can insist legally that you still own that firearm depends on where you live. In Texas I don't think there is any 'registration' so you can claim that you no longer own the firearm without having to show transfer paperwork (although I tend to keep records if I sell to a stranger just in case the firearm is used in a crime - unless I sell it at a WAC show where the buyers/sellers have had a NICS background check).

Anti-gunners/pro-registration people have for decades wanted to try to force all transfers, especially private transfers, to be tracked via mandated paperwork - essentially they want private transfers to have to adhere to the same rules that transfers from FFL dealers adhere to. Fortunately that is something they have never accomplished on a federal level because it would become de facto registration.
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:50 AM   #13181
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Generally, IIRC, the feds are prohibited by law from keeping such info unless there is some kind of investigation going on....


Anti-gunners/pro-registration people have for decades wanted to try to force all transfers, especially private transfers, to be tracked via mandated paperwork - essentially they want private transfers to have to adhere to the same rules that transfers from FFL dealers adhere to. Fortunately that is something they have never accomplished on a federal level because it would become de facto registration.
Don't let it happen boys, trust me. We're fighting tooth and nail to get ours repealed. We were never organizied and in the closet of sorts before. No more...
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Old 12-30-2010, 11:04 AM   #13182
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Thought I would add to this thread with a pic of my trusty 870. I just got a cheapo mount from Dealextreme and added a old school Surefire 9Z with an upgraded LED bulb. The gun is an 870 Express with a Scattergun Technologies mag extension and 6 slot side saddle, Speedfeed forearm and a Vang extended safety. Pretty simple compared to some but effective nonetheless. I'm going to replace the buttstock with a shorter one for easier shouldering, so if any of you have one for sale let me know! Sorry for the crappy iPhone 3g photo. Happy New Year!

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Great info - thanks for the clarification! I was talking to a friend of mine, who lives in NM, and he seemed to think that my purchase was 'registered' from the get-go. I know there are differences from state to state, too, so I'm interested to hear more discussion - if this isn't the right thread, perhaps we could start a new one, so as not to hi-jack this thread.

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It depends on the state, but generally you are close. Usually any paperwork stays with the FFL dealer. However, some states now have additional paperwork that is sent in if the gun is a handgun - e.g., I just bought a handgun at a dealer and they filled out some WA state paperwork which I assume is sent in and/or WA state keeps this info somewhere.

Generally, IIRC, the feds are prohibited by law from keeping such info unless there is some kind of investigation going on. However, when an FFL closes business, that FFL must transfer all their paperwork to the feds. IIRC the feds are not supposed to put that into any kind of computer system, but most people assume they do.

There is also a current controversy going on where the feds are wanting FFLs to notify them of any mass purchase of firearms of a certain type ('evil black' guns - i.e., semi-auto military type rifles) - I heard it was if you bought 20 of them in a certain period of time.

I think in general though, you should assume that some government agency knows what you have bought in the past, or at least has a fairly good idea. Now whether they can insist legally that you still own that firearm depends on where you live. In Texas I don't think there is any 'registration' so you can claim that you no longer own the firearm without having to show transfer paperwork (although I tend to keep records if I sell to a stranger just in case the firearm is used in a crime - unless I sell it at a WAC show where the buyers/sellers have had a NICS background check).

Anti-gunners/pro-registration people have for decades wanted to try to force all transfers, especially private transfers, to be tracked via mandated paperwork - essentially they want private transfers to have to adhere to the same rules that transfers from FFL dealers adhere to. Fortunately that is something they have never accomplished on a federal level because it would become de facto registration.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:24 PM   #13184
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Great info - thanks for the clarification! I was talking to a friend of mine, who lives in NM, and he seemed to think that my purchase was 'registered' from the get-go.
For many western states there is no real registration (I don't keep up on CA, but even there I don't think it is as bad as some states east of the Mississippi unless you own/buy certain 'evil' guns). Texas is fairly pro gun, as much of the southwest is, so

As for 'registration' in general, there are a lot of people out there, including many firearms owners, with the mistaken idea that the 4473 form is actually registration or that registration for most or all firearms is something that is in place everywhere, or something to that effect. The fact is that registration is not in place in the majority of states for the majority of firearms and it certainly is not in place as a matter of federal law.

Now for the paranoid, there is the argument that the government does track firearms purchases to a much greater extent than the government is allowed to by law or that the government will admit to, but even if that is so then this is not registration as true 'registration' would track every single lawful transfer, and there is nothing in place for that. I would say that at least as many private transfers happen as there are transfers from FFLs - probably more. For the most part, most of those private transfers are never recorded by a government agency.

Here is some good info:

http://eaglefirearms.com/?page_id=58
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law...ates_(by_state)

Interesting side note: WA state does now keep track of all handgun purchases from FFLs.
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